JG discussion.

#126
#126
Volhoops said:
JG is not a very good QB for this league. Most of the time it looks like he cannot read a defense pre-snap. His hit and fumble in the first quarter was simply not reading the overload by the defense on the left side and KNOWING he needed to adjust protection or get rid of it quick. Toughness does not always equal good QB. I feel sorry for the guy because the line is bad but I also believe some of those hits are on him for not being able to read the defense and get rid of the ball quicker.
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all that above is true
 
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#127
#127
BigOrangeTrain said:
Pruitt has said he likes JG and thinks he will be a good one. So sorry but that trumps your arguments. Again, if you think you know more than the coaches then lol. JG had offers from Bama, OSU and Clemson. Dont try and spin that the guy didnt have massive talent coming out of HS.
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No spin. He was well thought of and highly recruited. But he came from a small state, Christian School league....not a breeding ground for SEC caliber talent. He just happened to be the best athlete there. Recruiting is an inexact science, and everybody misses sometimes. Just use the eye test...does he look like a Bama, Clemson, or OSU starting QB?

Pruitt likes him because he's literally the best he's got. Be glad we have him....because it gets worse from here.

It doesn't make him good though.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
The coaches don't have anybody else....which is why they gave KC every opportunity to win the job.

JG has a big arm and good accuracy...great tools to have. He's tough and resilient....good qualities in a QB. But he doesn't see the field, doesn't progress, and has poor footwork in the pocket. He was the best athlete in HS, in a NJ Christian School league. That is tyoucally not where elite QB's come from.

We missed on this one.
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Don’t know about footwork. Looks fine to me but the question is can he audible and how much of say so can call a hot route! That’s the real question.
 
#129
#129
ventoniof said:
Don’t know about footwork. Looks fine to me but the question is can he audible and how much of say so can call a hot route! That’s the real question.
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Plants with his feet very far apart, and closes his body off to the side where he's not throwing before he plants. His head is always moving toward the receiver or spot where he plans to go....no progression. That tips off the defense where the ball is headed, and makes it impossible to see or sense the pressure. It's why he takes those big licks from behind....his fault as much as the O-lines.

There are always check downs and safety valves, whether he has the authority to audible or not. Problem is he doesn't know what the defense is doing.

Just my opinion.
 
#130
#130
'Boro-vol said:
Plants with his feet very far apart, and closes his body off to the side where he's not throwing before he plants. His head is always moving toward the receiver or spot where he plans to go....no progression. That tips off the defense where the ball is headed, and makes it impossible to see or sense the pressure. It's why he takes those big licks from behind....his fault as much as the O-lines.

There are always check downs and safety valves, whether he has the authority to audible or not. Problem is he doesn't know what the defense is doing.

Just my opinion.
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But we really don’t know on check downs. He does look his receivers too much I agree. But he has actually improved in pocket. He steps up in pocket. Need a wider base to get better ball zip. Count his seconds when he drop back and pressure is on him. Not much time
 
#131
#131
ventoniof said:
But we really don’t know on check downs. He does look his receivers too much I agree. But he has actually improved in pocket. He steps up in pocket. Need a wider base to get better ball zip. Count his seconds when he drop back and pressure is on him. Not much time
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If he has less than 2 secs. It would take a receiver a sec to at least run 10 yards. Which impossible. Receiver could only do like a 5 yard curl or screen
 
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#132
ventoniof said:
But we really don’t know on check downs. He does look his receivers too much I agree. But he has actually improved in pocket. He steps up in pocket. Need a wider base to get better ball zip. Count his seconds when he drop back and pressure is on him. Not much time
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The wider base makes it impossible for him to move. The power is generated from the hitch and step, not the plant

Our game should be mostly two step, and ball out...like we did with Worley and Ainge. They are not helping cover for the deficiency of the O-line. Deeper routes will have to come off of play-action and roll-outs, not from the pocket. Take the weak part of his game away, cut the field in half and don't make him read. Kiffin did that with Crompton to great success.

I don't think Helton has the ability to work with the limited skillset JG presents, nor can he work around his weaknesses....but that's his job.
 
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ventoniof said:
If he has less than 2 secs. It would take a receiver a sec to at least run 10 yards. Which impossible. Receiver could only do like a 5 yard curl or screen
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Yeah...I know. Short slants, outs , curls, and crossing routes. Mix in the run game and play action. This isn't rocket science, nor is it new. We've done it in the past, as have many other programs. It's the recipe for compensating for a weak O-line.

Do you think what we are doing is working? Should we continue that way? Should I uld we give the QB that can't read a defense the ability to scroll through the playbook pre-snap?

Perhaps we just disagree....and that's fine.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Yeah...I know. Short slants, outs , curls, and crossing routes. Mix in the run game and play action. This isn't rocket science, nor is it new. We've done it in the past, as have many other programs. It's the recipe for compensating for a weak O-line.

Do you think what we are doing is working? Should we continue that way? Should I uld we give the QB that can't read a defense the ability to scroll through the playbook pre-snap?

Perhaps we just disagree....and that's fine.
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It makes sense to allow qb to pre snap changes. But do they. We run all quick hits, slants screens, etc. but again donhe have the go ahead to run hot plays. Ijs
 
#135
#135
We all remember Payton playing as a junior, senior and NFL player; playing behind good lines. Yes Payton got rid of the ball quickly but he also had some of the best receivers.
JG has no line and two of just three just good receivers. Calloway will be very good one day. JJ is a step slow as is Brandon and Brandon drops 3 of every 4 passes. Whatching the game it seemed FL had better receivers with the exception of MC.
It looked to me that JG would read the D presnap and have selected were the best match up was, but our receivers could not get open aginst man coverage. That leaves him throwing the ball up for MC. When FL played zone JG found receivers, when he had time.
I like JG, I think he is a real talent and smarter than he is getting credit for. Oh and tough as nails. The kid will stand and and take a hit to make play. I hope over the next few weeks he dumps it and goes down. Tough as nails won’t be enough.

Who thinks the officiating was reall bad? No calls on holding receivers and late hits.
 
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#136
#136
benzod said:
I think he’s done. I’ve been wrong more than once, but I don’t think he can hack the rest of the schedule.
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If he doesn't make through the season, that would mean that the only QB to survive a full season since 2013 would be Josh Dobbs.
 
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#137
Volhoops said:
JG is not a very good QB for this league. Most of the time it looks like he cannot read a defense pre-snap. His hit and fumble in the first quarter was simply not reading the overload by the defense on the left side and KNOWING he needed to adjust protection or get rid of it quick. Toughness does not always equal good QB. I feel sorry for the guy because the line is bad but I also believe some of those hits are on him for not being able to read the defense and get rid of the ball quicker.
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I wonder about his pre snap reading, post snap decision.
Very good completion % first three games but very little point production, some QB’s are just that way, good numbers but don’t move the chains, make plays and put points on the board and behind this OL that’s a bad combo
 
#139
#139
so disappointed...saw the thread title and thought someone had already started a new John Gruden thread...would have been a new record I think...4 games in
 
#140
#140
He is hurt. Season is about to get much tougher/worse.... can we stop now with 4 games medical redshirt him with his clavicular injury and buy him an extra year hopefully with a better oline
 
#141
#141
awaitingawin said:
I know. .. tonight's play calling actually put JG in a bad place...running on 1st and 2nd downs most of the time with little gain put him in the crosshairs of the Florida D because they knew it was a passing down....something lacking bad on Heltons part
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I agree very much with this; you can't keep doing the same thing that is not working already. Too predictable ( run,run, long yardage 3rd down pass).
 
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#144
#144
We actually move chains. But red zone play sucks. I do know callaway had two tds that hit his hands in end zone and he dropped. JG threw a couple deep balls against UTEP but receivers have no fight. And stopped at 1 yard line. Probably leads to his low tds. Seems to me this team lacks toughness
 
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