JG and Quarterback Transfers

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after the comments took 90 degree turn in my thread last week, its probably time to discuss the logic on JG and QB transfers based on the UT's current landscape.

Given = we live in an instant gratification world

Reality = JG is a junior and has been progressing thru 3 OC's and 2 HC's. people like to use examples of other teams instant success as it relates for their lack of patience with JG........again, i understand the world we live in of instant gratification. other teams and coaches seem to find a way to win early. but lets look at pro and college examples that are relevant to UT's past turmoil, current direction and strategy.

1. Cleveland Browns - UT AD circus is similar to Browns ownership and GM issues. How many coaches want to work for Haslam? not many. same to be said for UT. how many coaches want to work for a school with unstable leadership. as we saw last year, not many elite coaches or elite assistant coaches wanted to be apart of what UT was selling over the last 10 years. in turn Butch could not recruit / develop blue chip OL nor did he hire a QB coach until his final year. How does this relate to JG? whether you work in a company or play for a sports team, the upper brass play a pivotal role in your teams ability to succeed. Hamilton's decisions, Currie's decisions, and UT presidents have greatly hurt UT's ability to recruit elite athletes. in turn, when elite athletes did commit to UT during this era, the dependency on these select players became overwhelming for a team that lacks enough playmakers to win consistently. bottom line, mediocrity trickles from the top.

2. Alabama - before Saban, Alabama was in turmoil. a multitude of terrible coaching hires. when Saban was hired, his qb was John Parker Wilson. JPW was an average qb and was at the helm when Saban went 6-6 and lost to Monroe. Saban stuck with JPW and developed players, some inherited and some recruited, into a NC team. after that, he started Greg McElroy, who was not a great athlete. UT's situation is almost identical to Alabama's situation from the mid-2000's. we can learn from Saban's strategies that helped turn that program around in 3 years and now into the strongest college football program of all time. Saban did not bench his QBs and rotate multiple guys until he found a stable QB. he allowed 2 QB's to start for 5 years. this allowed both JPW and McElroy to develop during the transition and provide some level of instant consistency to his football teams. JPW's development paved the way for future Alabama teams. JG may only have 1 great year at UT before he graduates, but if Pruitt allows him to grow, develop, and help transition CJP's early teams into a successful era, the QB after JG will be setup for success.

when it comes to JG and / or other QB transfers potentially looking at UT.........think about what is most important. building a foundation similar to Alabama, from the top down, through consistency is far more advantageous for the program long term than hoping a freshman or a transfer is the answer to all of UT's problems next year. JT Shrout only played 1 full year in high school and Maurer is a late bloomer as well. Both of these guys need 2 years each to learn a consistent offensive playbook and put on weight to withstand the type of pounding JG takes on a regular basis. JG's toughness is paving the way for the next QB to be healthy and ready to win when they play.

in the last 10 years, UT has had 3 AD's, 4 HC's, and a plethora of assistant coaches. if Pruitt and Fulmer stabilize their roles within the program, it will pave the way for more longer term assistant coaches, which will equal better recruiting, and quicker success on the field. we are only in year 2 of the Fulmer / Pruitt era and its important to stabilize any position of consistency during this transition. JG is someone you can pencil in the starting lineup, wont turn the ball over and can take a beating. i dont believe a freshman or transfer player is better suited than JG to help UT reach its ultimate goal, which is perennial success.

i appreciate JG for the beatings he has endured, and for not transferring when Butch left, for not turning the ball over even when losing by 25 points per loss and staying hungry thru the negative fan support during the last 2 years.

give the guy some credit for sticking with a company / team during this mess unlike a ton of other players that we see transferring at will. college football is losing its player loyalty due to the new rules but JG has never wavered once, even when Currie and Butch were driving the bus
 
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You keep mentioning an instant gratification world as if its relevant to any debate surrounding JG. He has been the starter for 2 years and has show to be nothing more than an average or slightly less than average sec qb. If you have a qb that gives you a better chance to win, you play that qb.
The circumstances around jg and the coaching changes suck, just like every other ut player the last decade. But that is all the more reason for olayers not to come to Tennessee, it's not a defense for JG if there is a better player behind him..
 
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You keep mentioning an instant gratification world as if its relevant to any debate surrounding JG. He has been the starter for 2 years and has show to be nothing more than an average or slightly less than average sec qb. If you have a qb that gives you a better chance to win, you play that qb.
The circumstances around jg and the coaching changes suck, just like every other ut player the last decade. But that is all the more reason for olayers not to come to Tennessee, it's not a defense for JG if there is a better player behind him..
see Carson Palmer and tell me that a player in an erratic program cant live up to their potential when support is provided
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If there was a better QB than JG why didn't the coaches start him? Because there never was a QB behind him that was good enough. Does anyone really believe CJP is going to play favorites and keep the best player on the bench? It doesn't make any sense and actually goes against everything he has always said since day one. Nobody just has any starting job and everything was always up for grabs by the best. Maybe by JG's senior year he'll have a good line protecting him and I hope for that next year, but we'll just have to see how it plays out. I don't think anyone is taking his job next year. 2020, maybe. Let the best QB play and I really dont care who it is.
 
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JG would probably look a LOT better if he had a good offensive line.

If JG had an OL, then his completion % would probably not be as high and therefore you would probably not think so highly of him. Most of his passes are short dump passes due to the OL not being any good. Hard to get those picked off and easy to complete but VERY difficult to score any points when that is your passing game.

JG is a slightly below average QB in the SEC and if anyone behind him was not a freshman or a grad transfer then he would not have been the starter. He has not shown any progression in 2 years of reading blitzes, checking out of a bad play, or getting rid of the ball quicker, that is on him. Yeah he has had a few different head coaches, OC's, and such but so have the other players and most of them have shown improvement.

Lik eeinstein said, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is an act of lunacy. sticking with JG and expecting that all of the sudden he is going to become a really top of the pack QB in this league is insane. He will continue to get slightly below average results. His rating out of high school was overstated mainly because his faults are easy to cover up in high school. Camps do not focus on the management of the game, just the physical side of being a QB, hence why he was rated so high.
 
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If there was a better QB than JG why didn't the coaches start him? Because there never was a QB behind him that was good enough. Does anyone really believe CJP is going to play favorites and keep the best player on the bench? It doesn't make any sense and actually goes against everything he has always said since day one. Nobody just has any starting job and everything was always up for grabs by the best. Maybe by JG's senior year he'll have a good line protecting him and I hope for that next year, but we'll just have to see how it plays out. I don't think anyone is taking his job next year. 2020, maybe. Let the best QB play and I really dont care who it is.
The thread title says transfers, which tells me we are talking about him playing in the future, not what has already taken place.
 
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There are 14 QBs in the SEC that anyone would take over JG. The only one that you wouldn't is the KY guy. Alabama has at least 2 you would take. Actually Georgia has at least two. He is not a QB with the "it" factor. Regardless of his stats.

KY would take him for 2019, but not this past season, that offense needed a running QB for when Snell was boxed in.
 
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after the comments took 90 degree turn in my thread last week, its probably time to discuss the logic on JG and QB transfers based on the UT's current landscape.

Given = we live in an instant gratification world

Reality = JG is a junior and has been progressing thru 3 OC's and 2 HC's. people like to use examples of other teams instant success as it relates for their lack of patience with JG........again, i understand the world we live in of instant gratification. other teams and coaches seem to find a way to win early. but lets look at pro and college examples that are relevant to UT's past turmoil, current direction and strategy.

1. Cleveland Browns - UT AD circus is similar to Browns ownership and GM issues. How many coaches want to work for Haslam? not many. same to be said for UT. how many coaches want to work for a school with unstable leadership. as we saw last year, not many elite coaches or elite assistant coaches wanted to be apart of what UT was selling over the last 10 years. in turn Butch could not recruit / develop blue chip OL nor did he hire a QB coach until his final year. How does this relate to JG? whether you work in a company or play for a sports team, the upper brass play a pivotal role in your teams ability to succeed. Hamilton's decisions, Currie's decisions, and UT presidents have greatly hurt UT's ability to recruit elite athletes. in turn, when elite athletes did commit to UT during this era, the dependency on these select players became overwhelming for a team that lacks enough playmakers to win consistently. bottom line, mediocrity trickles from the top.

2. Alabama - before Saban, Alabama was in turmoil. a multitude of terrible coaching hires. when Saban was hired, his qb was John Parker Wilson. JPW was an average qb and was at the helm when Saban went 6-6 and lost to Monroe. Saban stuck with JPW and developed players, some inherited and some recruited, into a NC team. after that, he started Greg McElroy, who was not a great athlete. UT's situation is almost identical to Alabama's situation from the mid-2000's. we can learn from Saban's strategies that helped turn that program around in 3 years and now into the strongest college football program of all time. Saban did not bench his QBs and rotate multiple guys until he found a stable QB. he allowed 2 QB's to start for 5 years. this allowed both JPW and McElroy to develop during the transition and provide some level of instant consistency to his football teams. JPW's development paved the way for future Alabama teams. JG may only have 1 great year at UT before he graduates, but if Pruitt allows him to grow, develop, and help transition CJP's early teams into a successful era, the QB after JG will be setup for success.

when it comes to JG and / or other QB transfers potentially looking at UT.........think about what is most important. building a foundation similar to Alabama, from the top down, through consistency is far more advantageous for the program long term than hoping a freshman or a transfer is the answer to all of UT's problems next year. JT Shrout only played 1 full year in high school and Maurer is a late bloomer as well. Both of these guys need 2 years each to learn a consistent offensive playbook and put on weight to withstand the type of pounding JG takes on a regular basis. JG's toughness is paving the way for the next QB to be healthy and ready to win when they play.

in the last 10 years, UT has had 3 AD's, 4 HC's, and a plethora of assistant coaches. if Pruitt and Fulmer stabilize their roles within the program, it will pave the way for more longer term assistant coaches, which will equal better recruiting, and quicker success on the field. we are only in year 2 of the Fulmer / Pruitt era and its important to stabilize any position of consistency during this transition. JG is someone you can pencil in the starting lineup, wont turn the ball over and can take a beating. i dont believe a freshman or transfer player is better suited than JG to help UT reach its ultimate goal, which is perennial success.

i appreciate JG for the beatings he has endured, and for not transferring when Butch left, for not turning the ball over even when losing by 25 points per loss and staying hungry thru the negative fan support during the last 2 years.

give the guy some credit for sticking with a company / team during this mess unlike a ton of other players that we see transferring at will. college football is losing its player loyalty due to the new rules but JG has never wavered once, even when Currie and Butch were driving the bus
Great post. Hopefully people will be able to understand all the truth that you have spoken here.
 
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Not sure if this has merit.... Crompton sucked until he ran into Lane, and his game turned around. To be fair in our arguments about JG... I think he deserves to be mentored by a true QB coach. And strange to me, is we have a coach who excelled at the position, but is coaching chairs or some such thing. So, beyond JG's poorly developed skills at the position, UT has issues in the coaching ranks for that position. Coaching at QB needs to be addressed... or the next guy up likely will face the same issues.
 
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If JG had an OL, then his completion % would probably not be as high and therefore you would probably not think so highly of him. Most of his passes are short dump passes due to the OL not being any good. Hard to get those picked off and easy to complete but VERY difficult to score any points when that is your passing game.

Simply not true. He was in the top half of the league in Yards per Attempt tied with Drew Lock and ahead of Kyle Shurmur (not saying the 3 are comparable, just that they're making similar throws) .....and it's not like we had burners on the outside inflating the numbers with YAC.

He definitely has deficiencies, but he's hard to evaluate based on his surrounding cast.
 
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There are 14 QBs in the SEC that anyone would take over JG. The only one that you wouldn't is the KY guy. Alabama has at least 2 you would take. Actually Georgia has at least two. He is not a QB with the "it" factor. Regardless of his stats.

Not true, since you said "anyone".

I would take starters at Bama(not the backup), UGA(maybe the (ex?)backup), USC, ATM, and maaaaybe OM(tossup), & UM(xfer? tossup). Several good upperclassmen QBs are gone from the SEC, as in VU, AU, UM, MSU. Not including any incoming FR.

So, in my book that leaves our growing and improving QB, mid-pack SEC or better. Our staff needs to develop a couple of TE's, RB's, and OL to protect him in at least an average way in 19'. If they can work such a miracle, then most of us here will be pleased at the results.
 
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No gt qb will come here with JG starting and two backups here.

I doubt CJP tries that this year. He'll roll with what we have. QB aint our #1 problem. Who knows, if one of the FR can take his job, then I would be elated. Just because we've upgraded the position.
 
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If JG had an OL, then his completion % would probably not be as high and therefore you would probably not think so highly of him. Most of his passes are short dump passes due to the OL not being any good. Hard to get those picked off and easy to complete but VERY difficult to score any points when that is your passing game.

JG is a slightly below average QB in the SEC and if anyone behind him was not a freshman or a grad transfer then he would not have been the starter. He has not shown any progression in 2 years of reading blitzes, checking out of a bad play, or getting rid of the ball quicker, that is on him. Yeah he has had a few different head coaches, OC's, and such but so have the other players and most of them have shown improvement.

Like Einstein said, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is an act of lunacy. sticking with JG and expecting that all of the sudden he is going to become a really top of the pack QB in this league is insane. He will continue to get slightly below average results. His rating out of high school was overstated mainly because his faults are easy to cover up in high school. Camps do not focus on the management of the game, just the physical side of being a QB, hence why he was rated so high.
So, once again, much like KC last year, those of us that saw some obvious flaws in JG play wanted to see KC and see what he could do. You say if JG had a better line he would perform at a lower level? I say you don't know how he would do. He has shown that he has the ability, given time in the pocket to make things happen. The issue is that when he is hurried constantly, he stares down a receiver then either throws a short pass for a complete/incomplete or gets killed. I see errors that he should be overcoming, but we either get him protection because he really hasn't had time to learn enough to slow the game or we get another QB. I repeat, you don't know what JG would do with a better line and another .5 to 1 second to make decisions. I would like to see him behind a line that gives him that time and then make my decisions once and for all.
 
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