Jerry Palm of CBSSports.com doesn't think much of Tennessee

[PalmettoStateVol]

Laughing your ass off doesn't make you any less ignorant. Give me a shout when they change the college football season to 7 games.

Ok genius, I will, just after you learn that losing 4 games already midway through the season means you still aren't a very good team yet. It doesn't matter how young players are; and it doesn't matter how many blown leads you've wasted. The only thing that counts in college football is getting the W. Period. So far we only have 3 of those. I know, I know, you're one of those guys that count the moral victories in the win column, but news flash....NOBODY ELSE CARES! Are we close? You bet we are. But close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. I haven't seen a Tennessee Walker in Neyland in quite some time now and the only thing explosive for this team has been the opposing offense in the fourth quarter.

 

[sanddune50]

Ok genius, I will, just after you learn that losing 4 games already midway through the season means you still aren't a very good team yet. It doesn't matter how young players are; and it doesn't matter how many blown leads you've wasted. The only thing that counts in college football is getting the W. Period. So far we only have 3 of those. I know, I know, you're one of those guys that count the moral victories in the win column, but news flash....NOBODY ELSE CARES! Are we close? You bet we are. But close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. I haven't seen a Tennessee Walker in Neyland in quite some time now and the only thing explosive for this team has been the opposing offense in the fourth quarter.

You don't know a lot then. And speak for yourself when you type in all caps. You're not important enough to speak for other people. And typing all caps doesn't emphasize you're point more, it just reveals your lack of self control. Kinda like the reds that litter the radio with their slack jawed knuckle dragging opinions. And was that a joke to close your post out with? Did that make you feel clever? It shouldn't have.

How about we wait and see what happens the rest of the year before we declare how good or bad this team is. My confidence stems from logic that we played our toughest games early in the season and the degree of difficulty takes a nosedive moving forward. You apparently think a freshman and sophomore laden team complete with more injuries than about any other team that we've played to date should have beat Florida and Bama on the road before they won you over. Me I'm smart enough to see where we were 3 years ago and where we are now. Keep blowing a gasket and dropping cheeseball one liners, and I'll sit back and enjoy the rest of the season.

 

[UTRavens]

Why would he, they're 3-4.

Because anyone who cares about having accurate bowl predictions should care about the remaining schedule?

 

[TrueOrange]

In 2009, Outback took Auburn over UT because Auburn has some trustees on the Outback board

That was a completely different system and set up in place, though.

Pre 2014, all the bowls tie-ins were set up that the bowls invited teams from the conferences they were contractually linked, in a selection order determined by the conference.

They pretty much got to select teams in an agreed upon order, based upon overall (not conference) records, with a bowl having the ability to switch off and select a team within 1-win/loss of the top one.

In some cases, some of the middle bowls could swap picks with each other every so many years - (the Cotton and Outback would sometimes swap East and West, in a few years the Peach Bowl would jump up in a selection above the others, etc)).


However, this was all before the setup changed prior to the playoffs in 2014.

 

[PalmettoStateVol]

You don't know a lot then. And speak for yourself when you type in all caps. You're not important enough to speak for other people. And typing all caps doesn't emphasize you're point more, it just reveals your lack of self control. Kinda like the reds that litter the radio with their slack jawed knuckle dragging opinions. And was that a joke to close your post out with? Did that make you feel clever? It shouldn't have.

How about we wait and see what happens the rest of the year before we declare how good or bad this team is. My confidence stems from logic that we played our toughest games early in the season and the degree of difficulty takes a nosedive moving forward. You apparently think a freshman and sophomore laden team complete with more injuries than about any other team that we've played to date should have beat Florida and Bama on the road before they won you over. Me I'm smart enough to see where we were 3 years ago and where we are now. Keep blowing a gasket and dropping cheeseball one liners, and I'll sit back and enjoy the rest of the season.

The facts are these:

1.Tennessee had the lead in all 4 games, three of which we had double digit leads with those Freshmen and Sophomores. Sounds pretty good doesn't it.

2.Tennessee wasn't good enough to hold the lead in any of those four games. Uh oh...somebody's looking a little suspect.

3.Tennessee lost all four games, and it doesn't matter why because it's not a W in the win column. Once again, the only thing that counts at this level of competitive sports.

4.Tennessee is a sub .500 team halfway through the season. That went south quickly didn't it.

Young players, Dumb coaches, bla bla bla...good teams find a way to win. Period. Go ahead and point to Georgia. Here's another one liner for ya...there's two things in life that are certain, Taxes and Mark Richt $hitting the bed at Georgia. That's quickly becoming the mantra of this program as well.

If you've watched UT football for any amount of time then you know that not one of the games on the rest of the schedule is automatic.

 

[TrueOrange]

I looked it up.

Georgia was 9-3. Auburn was 8-4. Georgia beat Auburn.

Auburn went to the Outback Bowl with a 3.5 million dollar payout. Georgia went to the Belk Bowl with a 1.7 million dollar payout.

I can't imagine the schools agreed to this.

I know schools spilt the money, but you still keep a larger percentage from the bowl you go to.

The way I remember it (and maybe things changed) is that you got a certain percentage from the bowl you attended (say, 20%).

The other 80% was put into a pot that was eventually split equally among the member schools.

So, if you went to a bowl with a $10 million dollar payout. You kept $2 million. The other 8 million went toward the pot that was split among the 14 schools.

Maybe it's different now

It seems like it would more depend on the amounts they kept.


If it's that 20% you said, that's a difference of one team in your example getting getting $700,000 and the other one getting $340,000.

Even if it's half, one's $850,000 while another's $1,750,000.


That said, whether it's a $360k difference or $900k difference, these schools are all also aware that they're each getting something around an equal $31.2 Million each in their pooled revenue.

Maybe going into this setup, they realized that the differences in mid-tier bowl amounts each got were small potatoes compared to the much larger amounts they were each going to receive from the overall setup?

 

[LA Vol]

According to ESPN, we have the highest projected win out % in the SEC (50.3% probability-- more than double that of any other SEC team). If we finish with five decisive wins, I think we'll do better than the Music City Bowl. We travel well, we have huge TV numbers and we'll give our opponent a good game. I'm sure the Gator Bowl would love to have us back... if not, we sure won't fall to the Liberty Bowl.

 

[WallyBalls]

Outback should be below the line. Citrus is the only one of those selecting on its own. The outback is with the other "mid level" bowls.

You're right. Fixed it.

 

[TrueOrange]

I don't know what the pecking order for bowls is but, I think Tennessee is projecting around the 6, 7, or 8 spot (of SEC teams).

Since the East is no longer possible, cheering for Florida to beat Georgia may make sense in terms of potentially gaining a better bowl bid.

But, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, LSU, TX A&M, Ole Miss, Miss State potentially can receive better bowl bids

These are the bowls with SEC tie-ins. As best as I could make out, I believe this is the order they are able to select (don't hold me to that).

I also do not know the procedure of Bowl Selection for former BCS bowls not included in the playoff.

Here's more or less what happens with the middle-tier bowls:

Under the new SEC bowl order, the Capital One Bowl in Orlando Fla., will have first choice of available SEC teams after any conference schools have qualified for the College Football Playoff, the Sugar Bowl or the Orange Bowl. The Capital One Bowl matches the SEC against an opponent from the Big Ten or Atlantic Coast Conference.

From there, the SEC will determine the league representative for six bowl games in consultation with the schools and the bowl games. Those games are the Outback Bowl in Tampa, Fla., (vs. Big Ten), Music City Bowl in Nashville, Tenn., (vs. ACC or Big Ten), Gator Bowl in Jacksonville, Fla., (vs. ACC or Big Ten), Liberty Bowl in Memphis, Tenn. (vs. Big 12), Texas Bowl in Houston (vs. Big 12) and Belk Bowl in Charlotte, N.C. (vs. ACC). The Texas and Belk bowls are new to the SEC lineup.

“This bowl process gives us the best opportunity to address several issues that impact SEC fans, including the creation of intriguing matchups, the accommodation of travel for fans, reduced ticket obligations for our schools and a variety of assignments to help prevent repetitive postseason destinations,” SEC commissioner Mike Slive said.

Once the SEC spots are filled in those six bowls, the Birmingham Bowl will have the first choice of available SEC teams, followed by the newly named Advocare V100 Bowl in Shreveport, La., which was formerly known as the Independence Bowl

The SEC league office will decide its SEC participants for its next six bowls: Outback, Belk, Liberty, Music City, Texas and Taxslayer. There is no pecking order within these six and no significant differences between payouts, SEC executive associate commissioner Mark Womack said.

“We’ll certainly have discussions with the bowls on which teams they have interest in,” Womack said. “We’ll certainly have discussions with our institutions about which bowls they would have an interest in. But at the end of the day, the conference will make the decision as to how those teams would be placed in those six bowls.”

SEC Commissioner Mike Slive and his staff will make the decisions about which bowls those six teams will play in, Womack said. The league will work to avoid regular-season rematches and rematches from recent bowl games and factor in proximity when deciding who plays where.

So, to simplify, what pretty much happens, following the CFP and New Years 6 bowl selections, is the 6 "pooled" schools each let the SEC front offices know in which bowls (presumably in some order) they would be interested. At the same time, each of the 6 bowl games making up the "pool" informs the SEC of which schools it has interest in inviting (presumably also in some order).

The SEC front offices then takes this information and uses it to pair the pooled SEC teams with the available bowls, also taking considerations when making these pairings towards the following: proximity of the bowl to the school/fanbase (probably some degree of how the fanbase travels), avoidance of recent rematches (both regular and in recent bowls), and recent, previous bowl appearances.



SEC unveils new bowl lineup, selection process for 2014 : Sports

SEC revamps bowl selection process : Sports

 

[TrueOrange]

Example: Last year, Bama made the playoff. Mississippi State was selected to play in the Orange Bowl. Not sure how Mississippi State was selected and how many teams from a conference can be selected in these games. (2, if not in the playoff? 1, if a school is in the playoff?) I don't know.

Same thing happened in 2001 to Tennessee.

Orange Bowl took Florida because of the amount of Gator grads on the Orange Bowl committee.

It's one of the reasons I brought this up. I thought they went to a system that rewarded more on merit.

I know the Orange Bowl really didn't want Mississippi State.

As far as the Orange bowl and Miss St last season went:


The Orange Bowl took Miss St last season because its current contractual obligations. Currently the bowl is locked into a 12-year deal with the ACC to take its conference champion (or if the champ is in the playoffs, the No. 2 team in the league). Over the life of that contract, the SEC and Big 10 are each guaranteed [at least] 3 appearances (Notre Dame can also play in a maximum of two appearances, though they aren't guaranteed). The second team chosen is the highest-ranked SEC/Big10 team available (excluding conference champs...or teams that would be Sugar or Rose Bowl replacements for the conference champs making the CFP).

Also if it would create a rematch of a regular season game in the Orange Bowl (let's say GT/UGA or FSU/UF), the Orange Bowl has the option of passing over that team in favor of the next highest-ranked team among the Big10/SEC/Notre Dame.


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As far as limits per conference, I don't think there's one in place as far as New Year's 6 bowls go...but I think there are so many contractual obligations between them all and the conferences that I'm not sure the actual number could get too terribly high for an individual conference.

 

[JacketVol]

In any case, we're headed to yet another also-ran bowl.
Hard to drum up any excitement about that.

I remember the last few years sitting at home with no bowl. How quickly we forget.

 

[vegasvolfan]

David Ching of ESPN projects Tennessee will go to the Belk Bowl

SEC Week 8 bowl projections: Several teams in danger of missing bowls - SEC Blog - ESPN


I think Tennessee could play UNC In the Belk Bowl

Would love some revenge

 

[sanddune50]

The facts are these:

1.Tennessee had the lead in all 4 games, three of which we had double digit leads with those Freshmen and Sophomores. Sounds pretty good doesn't it.

2.Tennessee wasn't good enough to hold the lead in any of those four games. Uh oh...somebody's looking a little suspect.

3.Tennessee lost all four games, and it doesn't matter why because it's not a W in the win column. Once again, the only thing that counts at this level of competitive sports.

4.Tennessee is a sub .500 team halfway through the season. That went south quickly didn't it.

Young players, Dumb coaches, bla bla bla...good teams find a way to win. Period. Go ahead and point to Georgia. Here's another one liner for ya...there's two things in life that are certain, Taxes and Mark Richt $hitting the bed at Georgia. That's quickly becoming the mantra of this program as well.

If you've watched UT football for any amount of time then you know that not one of the games on the rest of the schedule is automatic.

Your 'facts' have zero context which is why it's such a simpleton take. I've watched plenty of UT football. I also realize a jersey and a power T doesn't magically mean they will play like they did in 1985. I understand that new coaching staffs render past viewing of Tennessee games meaningless. I'm still trying to rack my brain as to when Majors or Fulmer broke out the zone read. Feel free to refresh my memory.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

In any case, we're headed to yet another also-ran bowl.
Hard to drum up any excitement about that.

Jesus, Mary and Joseph. Some people just cannot be satisfied. I mean who cares aboit a bowl game right? They dont matter. I mean from reading your post you would think that UT has been going to big time bowl games for the past 10 years and has to settle for a lesser bowl. Is that the case?

 

[OrngeChkrboardVFL]

I'd like to see...

8-4 UT vs 9-3 Michigan

Citrus bowl

 

[VolFootballnut]

Here's ESPN's Bowl projections for Tennessee after week 8

Schlabachuke vs Tennessee Belk Bowl
McMurphy:Tennessee vs Minnesota Music City Bowl

College football bowl projections after Week 8

 

[vol1981]

I would like to apologize to everyone. I could have sworn that the Vols lost the game last Saturday. However, after reading the hundreds of posts to the contrary, throughout the forum, I will now admit I was in error.

 

[FeelsLike98]

That's your opinion. Based on the thread title and the person I was responding to I think the past is applicable. Both parties are looking at UT in a capsule and not analyzing their difficulty in schedule, the manner in which they lost against highly ranked opponents, where 2 of the 3 games where played, and what three of the teams we lost to have done to other teams. Couple that with closing the gap from a year ago by taking OU to double overtime, forcing Bama to beat us on a late 4th quarter score in their stadium, racking up 254 rushing yards against a stingy Florida defense, and beating a UGA team we haven't beat since 2009 and I don't think clowns like Sticky Palms or DCamigo are accurately assessing how good this team is.

And last year does come into play since we started a lot of freshman who are sophomore starters with more freshman starters on this years team. We are a young team taking on squads that have built their program with their current coaches for years. When you take a simplistic view to look at something it just makes you look simple.

Dear God you are full of moral victories, huh? You have a trophy for this moral victory national championship?? Also, how many years has Mac been building his program at Flagstaff for exactly? We should expect to win these games. Not make excuses for losing them.

 

[knucklehead_vol]

According to ESPN, we have the highest projected win out % in the SEC (50.3% probability-- more than double that of any other SEC team). If we finish with five decisive wins, I think we'll do better than the Music City Bowl. We travel well, we have huge TV numbers and we'll give our opponent a good game. I'm sure the Gator Bowl would love to have us back... if not, we sure won't fall to the Liberty Bowl.

Didn't they also predict we wouldn't be competitive against bama?

 

[Bluetic]

On Jerry Palm's Bowl Projections he still has Tennessee playing Kansas State in the Liberty Bowl. I thing an 8-4 Tennessee team will either go to the Belk Bowl(to play North Carolina) or to the Tax Slayer Gator Bowl(to play Northwestern).

Sorry...who now?:whistling:

 

[VolFootballnut]

Sorry...who now?:whistling:

He's a blogger on College Football on the CBS Sports website

 

[VolFaninFla]

Outback bowl vs Penb State.

I live in Tampa and went to the 2007 Outback Bowl.
The Vols need to get them back for that game.

 

[sanddune50]

Dear God you are full of moral victories, huh? You have a trophy for this moral victory national championship?? Also, how many years has Mac been building his program at Flagstaff for exactly? We should expect to win these games. Not make excuses for losing them.

What a boneheaded reply that has really nothing to do with what I said. Learn some reading comprehension and then we will continue this conversation. Until then pick up a coloring book, and stick to what you know best.