Jefferey Epstein found dead in jail cell

[Vol8188]

Well the two main culprits in this operation Epstein and Maxwell were both Jewish. Maxwell's dad was a legendary Israeli spy. Epstein became a billionaire out of nowhere. His main benefactor was Les Wexner. Another Jew with connections to Israel. Ehud Barak (former President of Israel) was regularly seen entering and exiting Epstein's residence. And so forth.

Everything about the Epstein scandal screams Mossad Intelligence operation. To deny that it's most likely a Mossad Intelligence operation is to cease exercising critical reasoning skills. Now why would our government hide this? Well first it's evidence of treason. Our government officials were basically being blackmailed by a foreign government to advance their interests over our own. If that evidence came to light Americans would most likely demand we stop supporting Israel financially and make AIPAC a foreign organization so they can stop bribing our elected officials. US and Israeli relations would definitely strain. Israel doesn't want this and our blackmailed government officials don't want it either.

The entire Epstein cover-up is to protect Israel. Its clear as day.

So the answer to my question of “what specifically do you believe they’re hiding” is that you believe there’s some kind of evidence of US politicians engaged in sexual acts with minors?

What’s your evidence for this? That’s an incredibly bold claim to make without evidence

 

[LouderVol]

That's the hard part for me. I wasn't defining modern as western. I assumed that people of all cultures today would find systemic exploitation of children repulsive.

I think a lot of it is also its seen as more allowable because most cultures put the emphasis on protecting women, and only defining intercourse with a woman as sex. intercourse with something(one) else was allegedly a gray area the self righteous could hide behind. like its somehow "less wrong" to rape a boy than it is to rape a girl.

at least one of the sickos in the Catholic church tried to hide behind the logic of the teachings of the church that the only purpose of sex was to produce children. so any act that couldn't produce children was not sex. and sex with a boy was doubly removed because sex was supposed to be between a man and woman.

also on a basic level it goes back to power, dominating something less powerful than yourself. women are weaker so boys are targeted first. also a boy child is much less important than a female child. you don't lose anything hurting the boy child, if anything you are removing a potential future rival, while if the girl is harmed you are potentially damaging a future legitimate rape.

they use really twisted logic to justify it to themselves. maybe eventually they get jaded enough to drop the pretext. I don't think the act/desire can be tied to any particular culture or time. maybe its something about having a bunch of rules, and no real outlet. maybe its just addiction and the next high has to be bigger/riskier than the previous to get their fix.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Yeah, and I thought the dead guy and the wounded looked like crisis actors from the Newtown shooting.

I never said they weren't willing to sacrifice innocent Americans. Look no further than the Epstein scandal and how many poor girls were victimized. The depravity of those in power knows no bounds.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Scarborough: Why Didn’t Democrats Call for Epstein Files to Be Released During Biden Presidency?​

During an interview with Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) on Thursday, MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” co-host Joe Scarborough asked why, if the saga involving the late Jeffrey Epstein was a “crisis,” the Biden administration did not release records when it was in power.

“Epstein was able to use all of his powerful connections, including who was then his best friend, Donald Trump, in order to suppress a real hearing into what had happened,” Raskin said. “And look, why is this important? Because the sexual abuse of young people and children is a crisis throughout our society. There is, of course, the church scandal, or many church scandals. There’s what happened at Michigan State. There’s what happened at Ohio State.”

Scarborough interjected, “But, Congressman, you could have gotten that from ’21 to ’25, when Democrats controlled DOJ. It was a crisis then. It’s a crisis now. Why didn’t Democrats call for it from ’21 to ’25?”

Scarborough: Why Didn't Democrats Call for Epstein Files to Be Released During Biden Presidency?

During an interview with Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) on Thursday, MSNBC's "Morning Joe" co-host Joe Scarborough asked why, if the saga involving the late Jeffrey Epstein was a "crisis," the Biden administration did not release records when it was in power. | Clips

www.breitbart.com

Cause it's all for show. Just like how the Republicans were calling for the files to be released when they weren't in power then refusing to release them once they got in power.

Only a fool still believes in either the Democrats or Republicans.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

So the answer to my question of “what specifically do you believe they’re hiding” is that you believe there’s something kind of evidence of US politicians engaged in sexual acts with minors?

What’s your evidence for this? That’s an incredibly bold claim to make without evidence

So you think all those rape victims on Epstein's island were raped by just Epstein? All those politicians and celebrities went there for the weather?

This is why people are calling for the Epstein files to be released. Because we want to see what politicians and celebrities are implicated in these crimes. Young girls were trafficked and raped. That's why Maxwell is in jail and Epstein allegedly killed himself. The cover-up is we're being told it was just Epstein and Maxwell and to not look any further. Reasonable people want all the evidence shown cause we don't think this entire operation was just Epstein raping little girls by himself. The evidence screams sexual blackmail by an intelligence operation most likely Mossad.

 

[Vol8188]

So you think all those rape victims on Epstein's island were raped by just Epstein? All those politicians and celebrities went there for the weather?

This is why people are calling for the Epstein files to be released. Because we want to see what politicians and celebrities are implicated in these crimes. Young girls were trafficked and raped. That's why Maxwell is in jail and Epstein allegedly killed himself. The cover-up is we're being told it was just Epstein and Maxwell and to not look any further. Reasonable people want all the evidence shown cause we don't think this entire operation was just Epstein raping little girls by himself. The evidence screams sexual blackmail by an intelligence operation most likely Mossad.

Outside of Virginia G, what victim has claimed to have been raped by anyone other than Epstein?

What specific evidence are you talking about that screams “sexual blackmail”?

 

[hndog609]

Reasonable people want all the evidence shown cause we don't think this entire operation was just Epstein raping little girls by himself. The evidence screams sexual blackmail by an intelligence operation most likely Mossad.

I had a post earlier that listed a few things and one of ideas my friends and I had thought at least "plausible" is there was evidence that implicated people (exactly who is speculative) but when the heat was known to be coming that particular information was taken/scrubbed. That doesn't "unhappen" anything but is another possible explanation for why this or the last administration wouldn't be able to produce any actual evidence.

It would seem that your insertion of high level intelligence operatives into the mix might actually make that as likely as not from your POV.

 

[LouderVol]

Outside of Virginia G, what victim has claimed to have been raped by anyone other than Epstein?

What specific evidence are you talking both that screams “sexual blackmail”?

there are about 3 other "jane does" who make claims there were others.

one suit from 2019, one from 2021, and I can't find the last date except that it is "older" than the 2019 allegations.

Virginia Giuffre is not the first victim to end up dead after making allegations.

 

[Vol8188]

there are about 3 other "jane does" who make claims there were others.

one suit from 2019, one from 2021, and I can't find the last date except that it is "older" than the 2019 allegations.

Virginia Giuffre is not the first victim to end up dead after making allegations.

Get me a source on that. I’m not familiar with those claims. Who did they name? I know Virginia named multiple people specifically

 

[KB5252]

Well the two main culprits in this operation Epstein and Maxwell were both Jewish. Maxwell's dad was a legendary Israeli spy. Epstein became a billionaire out of nowhere. His main benefactor was Les Wexner. Another Jew with connections to Israel. Ehud Barak (former President of Israel) was regularly seen entering and exiting Epstein's residence. And so forth.

Everything about the Epstein scandal screams Mossad Intelligence operation. To deny that it's most likely a Mossad Intelligence operation is to cease exercising critical reasoning skills. Now why would our government hide this? Well first it's evidence of treason. Our government officials were basically being blackmailed by a foreign government to advance their interests over our own. If that evidence came to light Americans would most likely demand we stop supporting Israel financially and make AIPAC a foreign organization so they can stop bribing our elected officials. US and Israeli relations would definitely strain. Israel doesn't want this and our blackmailed government officials don't want it either.

The entire Epstein cover-up is to protect Israel. Its clear as day.

You're looking at it through the wrong lens. Think quid pro quo, no one is blackmailed when everyone has dirt on everybody else. It's the elite protecting their ilk. You see this as an Israeli problem, the ice berg is largest beneath the surface.

 

[MercyPercy]

You're looking at it through the wrong lens. Think quid pro quo, no one is blackmailed when everyone has dirt on everybody else. It's the elite protecting their ilk. You see this as an Israeli problem, the ice berg is largest beneath the surface.

Kind of my thoughts. They all pretend to hate each other performatively for us but in the end, they're in a club and we aren't invited. And they don't want Pandora's box opened up, thinking if the people get uppity and start believing the folks in that club aren't so untouchable, their little party is over because any of them could be next on the chopping block.

 

[KB5252]

Kind of my thoughts. They all pretend to hate each other performatively for us but in the end, they're in a club and we aren't invited. And they don't want Pandora's box opened up, thinking if the people get uppity and start believing the folks in that club aren't so untouchable, their little party is over because any of them could be next on the chopping block.

Agreed, this touches and includes some of the most powerful families on the planet, holding current and former political office. It opens those families to greater embarrassment and possible consequence, and raises questions about their compadres that ignore(d) it, once fingers start pointing and everyone distrusts everyone else imagine what that could bring......

Look at what happened to organized crime once their code was betrayed and their veil of secrecy was lifted........

 

[hndog609]

Kind of my thoughts. They all pretend to hate each other performatively for us but in the end, they're in a club and we aren't invited. And they don't want Pandora's box opened up, thinking if the people get uppity and start believing the folks in that club aren't so untouchable, their little party is over because any of them could be next on the chopping block.

I believe there is more than a little truth in the uniparty idea but it's not all tickle fights behind closed doors and performative acting out front. Two obvious ones with this administration would be the border and DEI pushback. Those are absolutely, positively taking a big wizz straight into the cornflakes of a huge swath of the Democrat faithful. There may be what could be called a "core" of sorts that may try to hold a base position but there are some savage skirmishes going on outside that position.

 

[LouderVol]

Get me a source on that. I’m not familiar with those claims. Who did they name? I know Virginia named multiple people specifically

2021

New Jeffrey Epstein Lawsuit Includes Graphic Allegations of Rape and Threats

The woman who filed the complaint last week says she initially met Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell while she was working as a real estate broker in Florida.

www.vanityfair.com

This one didn't give specific names. Just says other guys were eventually included after she had been groomed.

 

[LouderVol]

2019. Articles covers 3 cases. One of the girls said she was forced to marry another woman. I had thought it was a man, so depending on how you feel about forced lesbian marriages you can ignore this one as I misrememered the case.

https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/3-women-sue-estate-of-jeffrey-epstein-alleging-rape-and-other-forced-sex-acts/

 

[MercyPercy]

I believe there is more than a little truth in the uniparty idea but it's not all tickle fights behind closed doors and performative acting out front. Two obvious ones with this administration would be the border and DEI pushback. Those are absolutely, positively taking a big wizz straight into the cornflakes of a huge swath of the Democrat faithful. There may be what could be called a "core" of sorts that may try to hold a base position but there are some savage skirmishes going on outside that position.

Meh, the dems and Repubs have been playing footsie with each other about the border and immigration for a long time. An issue allowed to continue to be an issue because both sides could campaign on it. Nobody actually wanted it resolved.

 

[MercyPercy]

Agreed, this touches and includes some of the most powerful families on the planet, holding current and former political office. It opens those families to greater embarrassment and possible consequence, and raises questions about their compadres that ignore(d) it, once fingers start pointing and everyone distrusts everyone else imagine what that could bring......

Look at what happened to organized crime once their code was betrayed and their veil of secrecy was lifted........

That being said, if Epstein did "belong to intelligence" and there was some blackmail scheme going on, which I don't find all that hard to believe, there's no doubt in my mind our own spooks at the very least knew about it and leveraged it if not being actively involved with it. The CIA doesn't really have a strong history of telling on themselves. And they can cry "national security risk" until the cows come home and they run out of black markers.

 

[hndog609]

Meh, the dems and Repubs have been playing footsie with each other about the border and immigration for a long time. An issue allowed to continue to be an issue because both sides could campaign on it. Nobody actually wanted it resolved.

You would describe what Trump/Homan/ICE are doing falls under "playing footsie"? We're having what would be closer to a paradigm shift going on. For better or worse, POV dependent of course, it's an enormous change.

 

[MercyPercy]

You would describe what Trump/Homan/ICE are doing falls under "playing footsie"? We're having what would be closer to a paradigm shift going on. For better or worse, POV dependent of course, it's an enormous change.

No, right now they are doing something different. They hadn't been for years and years. That was a historical example. I'm not saying everyone there is best friends or even that they like each other. They probably hate each other in a lot of ways considering many are plain assholes, but they're still elite assholes and they don't want us to hold another elite ******* truly accountable. They're fine with small stuff. Sometimes they provide sacrificial lambs for mild stuff. They rarely ever get after each other for big things, like child abuse.

 

[hndog609]

No, right now they are doing something different. They hadn't been for years and years. That was a historical example. I'm not saying everyone there is best friends or even that they like each other. They probably hate each other in a lot of ways considering many are plain assholes, but they're still elite assholes and they don't want us to hold another elite ******* truly accountable. They're fine with small stuff. Sometimes they provide sacrificial lambs for mild stuff. They rarely ever get after each other for big things, like child abuse.

That's closer to what I meant when I mentioned "core" earlier. I'm pushing back a little (not particularly you btw) on the overly generalized idea of R & D are basically the same. They're not regarding many things but pretty close on others. (cough, spending, cough) In the center of it, the truly established elite, it's closer to the idea of "as long as I can keep in power I don't mind too much if you are also...even if I'd like to watch you drop dead". I think that's more along what you're saying and I'd agree there's truth in there.

 

[Vol8188]

2021

New Jeffrey Epstein Lawsuit Includes Graphic Allegations of Rape and Threats

The woman who filed the complaint last week says she initially met Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell while she was working as a real estate broker in Florida.

www.vanityfair.com

This one didn't give specific names. Just says other guys were eventually included after she had been groomed.

That seems like gold digging. She wasn’t included in the criminal case. Did file a civil suit. Idk. Every woman in the criminal trial named Epstein and Epstein only

Do we know how the suit ended or just that she filed one?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Outside of Virginia G, what victim has claimed to have been raped by anyone other than Epstein?

What specific evidence are you talking about that screams “sexual blackmail”?

There are more than 1000 victims according to federal investigators. Epstein victims numbered over 1,000 – far more than previously known, federal investigators say

Did you really think there was only one victim? Are you that uninformed or intentionally trying to mislead? This Epstein scandal is a huge crime that is being swept under the rug by our corrupt politicians.

 

[volfanhill]

Well the two main culprits in this operation Epstein and Maxwell were both Jewish. Maxwell's dad was a legendary Israeli spy. Epstein became a billionaire out of nowhere. His main benefactor was Les Wexner. Another Jew with connections to Israel. Ehud Barak (former President of Israel) was regularly seen entering and exiting Epstein's residence. And so forth.

Everything about the Epstein scandal screams Mossad Intelligence operation. To deny that it's most likely a Mossad Intelligence operation is to cease exercising critical reasoning skills. Now why would our government hide this? Well first it's evidence of treason. Our government officials were basically being blackmailed by a foreign government to advance their interests over our own. If that evidence came to light Americans would most likely demand we stop supporting Israel financially and make AIPAC a foreign organization so they can stop bribing our elected officials. US and Israeli relations would definitely strain. Israel doesn't want this and our blackmailed government officials don't want it either.

The entire Epstein cover-up is to protect Israel. Its clear as day.

It's widely believed Mossad whacked Maxwells dad. I don't see her getting in bed with them.

 

[MercyPercy]

"Acosta, then the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida, agreed to a plea deal,[28] to grant immunity from all federal criminal charges to Epstein, along with four named co-conspirators and any unnamed "potential co-conspirators". That agreement "essentially shut down an ongoing FBI probe into whether there were more victims and other powerful people who took part in Epstein's sex crimes". At the time, this halted the investigation and sealed the indictment."

 

[Vol8188]

There are more than 1000 victims according to federal investigators. Epstein victims numbered over 1,000 – far more than previously known, federal investigators say

Did you really think there was only one victim? Are you that uninformed or intentionally trying to mislead? This Epstein scandal is a huge crime that is being swept under the rug by our corrupt politicians.

Are you menstruating? It seems like it.

I never claimed there was only one victim. I can tell you Virginia G is the only one I’m aware of who specifically named anyone else. I can also tell you the criminal case named no one else.

What specifically do you believe is being swept under the rug?

And can you name any of these women who have presented evidence? Or just lawsuits?