Jefferey Epstein found dead in jail cell

[Sandman 423]

wouldn't surprise me. Seems to be a galvanizing issue.

I wish we could be as united and vocal about spending.

Oh, they are, Just not how we need them to be.

 

[LouderVol]

If I'd been drinking anything this would have caused a huge spit take.

he watches too much Hollywood or plays too much COD.

 

[Majors]

what???

I can't tell if you are serious.

Should have went blue font on the paid actor living in Costa Rica. A wife lost her husband and kids lost their dad, but somehow D4H believes it was staged.

 

[McDad]

Is there room in this thread to discuss the phenomena of rich/prominent men organizing groups which prey on underage boys and girls? I am not looking for a QAnon or pizzagate part 2 conversation.
But in many cultures this phenomena exists. I just saw a documentary posted on Youtube about this in Afghanistan (i think) or maybe Turkey. The men are attracted to young boys who they exploit. It is called, Bacha Bazi "boy play". And they do this relatively openly.

 

[midnight orange]

Is there room in this thread to discuss the phenomena of rich/prominent men organizing groups which prey on underage boys and girls? I am not looking for a QAnon or pizzagate part 2 conversation.
But in many cultures this phenomena exists. I just saw a documentary posted on Youtube about this in Afghanistan (i think) or maybe Turkey. The men are attracted to young boys who they exploit. It is called, Bacha Bazi "boy play". And they do this relatively openly.

I always heard among other things that it is a talisman for elite status which means that they are not subject to the law like normal people.

 

[McDad]

I always heard among other things that it is a talisman for elite status which means that they are not subject to the law like normal people.

I was taken aback by how openly the men in Afghanistan are about the practice. And I may be wrong but the documentarian referenced how there are subgroups all over the world that are doing this kind of stuff.

 

[midnight orange]

I was taken aback by how openly the men in Afghanistan are about the practice. And I may be wrong but the documentarian referenced how there are subgroups all over the world that are doing this kind of stuff.

Haven’t seen the documentary but there is some dark stuff going on, especially with third world cultures.

 

[OHvol40]

Is there room in this thread to discuss the phenomena of rich/prominent men organizing groups which prey on underage boys and girls? I am not looking for a QAnon or pizzagate part 2 conversation.
But in many cultures this phenomena exists. I just saw a documentary posted on Youtube about this in Afghanistan (i think) or maybe Turkey. The men are attracted to young boys who they exploit. It is called, Bacha Bazi "boy play". And they do this relatively openly.

They live in a world where money fixes anything/insulates them from almost anything, including acting out intrusive thoughts. Nobody should have the power to get away with abuse, especially of kids.

 

[McDad]

They live in a world where money fixes anything/insulates them from almost anything, including acting out intrusive thoughts. Nobody should have the power to get away with abuse, especially of kids.

Yeah. That was a bit of a shock, too. The parents of the boys are selling the boys to the men. Everybody knows what is going on. But the money helps the family. There is a whole culture devoted to training the boys up. They are given singing and dancing lessons. They dress them up in women's clothes so they can dance for the men.

 

[TheDeeble]

Khana and Massie say they have the votes needed to force a release of the Epstein files.

I hope they do. This looks like what is being proposed?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/581/text

But I wonder if this statement would include what Dershowitz said is the road block to names being made public.

“(a) In general.—Not later than 30 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Attorney General shall, subject to subsection (b), make publicly available in a searchable and downloadable format all unclassified records, documents, communications, and investigative materials in the possession of the Department of Justice, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation and United States Attorneys’ Offices, that relate to:

Since Dershowitz is saying neither Trump admin nor the DOJ have client lists. It's a couple judges in New York blocking the release of information.

Dershowitz, who helped get a plea deal for Epstein in 2008, said that there’s no Epstein “client list,” just a redacted FBI affidavit from accusers. “So, many of the things that are being suppressed are being suppressed by two judges in Manhattan, and they’re doing it largely to protect the alleged accusers who are, in the view of the judges, victims, even though we don’t know what their actual status is,” he added.

Dershowitz: Judges suppressing Epstein information, not Trump administration

Jeffrey Epstein’s former lawyer Alan Dershowitz said two judges in New York are suppressing information about the disgraced financier and convicted sex offender’s case, not the Trump administration. His comments come as President Trump and his Justice Department (DOJ) have been under heavy fire...

www.yahoo.com

 

[McDad]

I hope they do. This looks like what is being proposed?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/581/text

But I wonder if this statement would include what Dershowitz said is the road block to names being made public.



Since Dershowitz is saying neither Trump admin nor the DOJ have client lists. It's a couple judges in New York blocking the release of information.

Dershowitz: Judges suppressing Epstein information, not Trump administration

Jeffrey Epstein’s former lawyer Alan Dershowitz said two judges in New York are suppressing information about the disgraced financier and convicted sex offender’s case, not the Trump administration. His comments come as President Trump and his Justice Department (DOJ) have been under heavy fire...

www.yahoo.com

this "list of clients" might be the biggest criminal red herring since Keyser Soze.

 

[NCFisher]

Is there room in this thread to discuss the phenomena of rich/prominent men organizing groups which prey on underage boys and girls? I am not looking for a QAnon or pizzagate part 2 conversation.
But in many cultures this phenomena exists. I just saw a documentary posted on Youtube about this in Afghanistan (i think) or maybe Turkey. The men are attracted to young boys who they exploit. It is called, Bacha Bazi "boy play". And they do this relatively openly.

It was expressed in Roman culture as puer delicatus. Homosexuality in ancient Rome - Wikipedia

The puer delicatus was an "exquisite" or "dainty" child-slave chosen by his master for his beauty as a "boy toy",[120] also referred to as deliciae ("sweets" or "delights").[121] Unlike the freeborn Greek eromenos ("beloved"), who was protected by social custom, the Roman delicatus was in a physically and morally vulnerable position.[122] The "coercive and exploitative" relationship between the Roman master and the delicatus, who might be prepubescent, can be characterized as pedophilic, in contrast to Greek paiderasteia

Entirely coincidental: History of pizza - Wikipedia

The word pizza was first documented in 997 CE in Gaeta[4] and successively in different parts of central and southern Italy.

 

[McDad]

It was expressed in Roman culture as puer delicatus. Homosexuality in ancient Rome - Wikipedia

Entirely coincidental: History of pizza - Wikipedia

Definitely not a new fetish. I guess I have been naive in thinking it was abhorred in all modern cultures

 

[NashVol11]

Fun stuff

 

[Gandalf]

Is there room in this thread to discuss the phenomena of rich/prominent men organizing groups which prey on underage boys and girls? I am not looking for a QAnon or pizzagate part 2 conversation.
But in many cultures this phenomena exists. I just saw a documentary posted on Youtube about this in Afghanistan (i think) or maybe Turkey. The men are attracted to young boys who they exploit. It is called, Bacha Bazi "boy play". And they do this relatively openly.

Turkey and the Ottoman empire in general IIRC historically had "peg houses" or peg boys, which seems clear enough. Oddly Muslims which may have a very conservative view of sex with women, can still participate in activities with young boys. But it would seem that the thinking is the shame is to be the penetrated one (i.e. the "woman"), not the penetrator (the male). Seems the ancient Greeks influenced these cultures more than expected.

I find facinating @midnight orange assertion of it possibly being a "talisman for elite status which means that they are not subject to the law like normal people." Yes, only the corpulent (money, power, body) could be so corrupted, so vile as to thumb their noses at the laws of God and conformity of culture. So among themselves it is taken for a sign of power. So interesting.

 

[NCFisher]

Turkey and the Ottoman empire in general IIRC historically had "peg houses" or peg boys, which seems clear enough. Oddly Muslims which may have a very conservative view of sex with women, can still participate in activities with young boys. But it would seem that the thinking is the shame is to be the penetrated one (i.e. the "woman"), not the penetrator (the male). Seems the ancient Greeks influenced these cultures more than expected.

I find facinating @midnight orange assertion of it possibly being a "talisman for elite status which means that they are not subject to the law like normal people." Yes, only the corpulent (money, power, body) could be so corrupted, so vile as to thumb their noses at the laws of God and conformity of culture. So among themselves it is taken for a sign of power. So interesting.

That, and what fruit do you bite next from the tree of knowledge? If your positon or wealth allows consumption of anything you want, you don't have to settle for being content with normal. When your 'normal' is already exotic to 99% of people, what's next?

 

[volbound1700]

Is there room in this thread to discuss the phenomena of rich/prominent men organizing groups which prey on underage boys and girls? I am not looking for a QAnon or pizzagate part 2 conversation.
But in many cultures this phenomena exists. I just saw a documentary posted on Youtube about this in Afghanistan (i think) or maybe Turkey. The men are attracted to young boys who they exploit. It is called, Bacha Bazi "boy play". And they do this relatively openly.

I definitely have a theory on why this happens but at work and don't have time to share. Like my post to remind me and I will share ( I need to cite to several Bible verses). In summary, I think the Devil and demonic entities are behind it all.

 

[whodeycin85]

he watches too much Hollywood or plays too much COD.

I think this statement applies to a lot more people then him.
Funny thing is I think people think the Epstein list is like a ML ovoe to crime show where the evidence is all in one place, cut and dry either in a hidden file or desk drawer.....
Imo I think they have nothing hit circumstantial evidence, the tape dont contain anything but kiddie porn. The flight logs are as close as we will get to a list ..problem is so many live for confirmation bias they can't get on that there may not be anything else.
That said redact and release...I'll bet we don't see much more is anything other then what's already been released. There's a reason the all these case are either civil cases or failed to produce the evidence they claim.

 

[whodeycin85]

Yeah. That was a bit of a shock, too. The parents of the boys are selling the boys to the men. Everybody knows what is going on. But the money helps the family. There is a whole culture devoted to training the boys up. They are given singing and dancing lessons. They dress them up in women's clothes so they can dance for the men.

Look up the sambia tribe and their practices

 

[evillawyer]

 

[McDad]

Look up the sambia tribe and their practices

Man. Really wish I hadn't looked that up.

 

[whodeycin85]

Man. Really wish I hadn't looked that up.

Its a sick world we live in. Sorry I head that I used in a debate and it blew my mind that it was an accepted practice.
But then again look how long it took England to go after the Muslims Rape gangs etc...until.we stop accepting this stuff as a society it'll just get worse.

 

[NCFisher]

I hope they do. This looks like what is being proposed?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/581/text

But I wonder if this statement would include what Dershowitz said is the road block to names being made public.

Since Dershowitz is saying neither Trump admin nor the DOJ have client lists. It's a couple judges in New York blocking the release of information.

Dershowitz: Judges suppressing Epstein information, not Trump administration

Jeffrey Epstein’s former lawyer Alan Dershowitz said two judges in New York are suppressing information about the disgraced financier and convicted sex offender’s case, not the Trump administration. His comments come as President Trump and his Justice Department (DOJ) have been under heavy fire...

www.yahoo.com

An article quoted Glenn Beck saying:
“Pam Bondi has created so much DOUBT and CHAOS in this whole thing. There’s no reason for all of this. either it’s a MASSIVE COVER-UP or she’s just FOULED IT UP,”

Perfect summary; I don't see how she remains in place.

 

[Vol8188]

Man. Really wish I hadn't looked that up.

Yeah, not a lot gets to me; but that’s rough

 

[MercyPercy]

An article quoted Glenn Beck saying:
“Pam Bondi has created so much DOUBT and CHAOS in this whole thing. There’s no reason for all of this. either it’s a MASSIVE COVER-UP or she’s just FOULED IT UP,”

Perfect summary; I don't see how she remains in place.

Bondi is obviously incompetent but I'm not sure why she's being made into the scapegoat here. She's doing what Trump tells her to do. Unless you think she's going rogue to protect pedos. In which case that must be news to Trump considering how he keeps backing up the job she's doing.