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John Brice saying that Lebby to UT isn’t going to happen. Golesh and Halzle are definitely coming with Heupel. Elarbee is up in the air.
 
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volgr said:
That just isn't true. You've been sold a bill of goods and told you're program isn't what it used to be and there is no evidence it is true. You're program is still what it used to be, its just that the people running the show don't treat it with the respect it deserves.

Is there still a nice huge upgraded football stadium over there? Is there still state of the art nice training facilities over there? SEC and National Championships hanging on wall? Nationally revered and historic legend's names imprinted on our program? You are a fan of one of the best programs in college football historically. Top 10 in ALL TIME wins.

Josh freaking Heupel is a disgraceful hire for a program with our history and tradition. DISGRACE!! Wake up, sheep. RESPECT YOUR DAMN PROGRAM AND DEMAND BETTER!! Or call your friend and obey the AD who is cashing his check and kicking dirt on the fans and the program you cherish. Up to you.
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You don't have to believe anything that has been said to understand that it is true. The facts alone support it.

First of all, look at the number of "proven winner" coaches in recent years that have been pulled from one winning P5 program to another. Alabama got lucky because Saban didn't like coaching in the NFL. Jimbo Fisher had extenuating circumstances that made leaving FSU easier. It rarely happens because it is very difficult to do.

It's not just about money. If you are a late middle aged person, which most of these coaches are, and have made a seven-figure salary for several years already, which most of these coaches have, the money doesn't mean what you or I think it means. It's not going to change a whole lot for them. They already have enough to live where they want live, do what they want to do and give what they want to give. They aren't going to walk away from everything they've built for money they don't need.

Just look at all of the coaches that have been hired by P5 schools in recent years. including SEC schools. The hires typically look a whole lot more like Josh Heupel than Jimbo Fisher. Why? Because that's what the market has to offer.

So, even without the pending sanctions, a "home run" was a long shot at best and not because we are Tennessee but because they always are for any school. The sanctions just make it more difficult.
 
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Why would we hire a real OC when JH has clearly stated he’s gonna call plays. Seems like a waste of money to me but what do I know.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
I would’ve offered Matt Campbell a blank check. I know the real world doesn’t work that way necessarily in all situations but this university rakes in insane money, and by hiring a homerun coach you start winning more and winning more means you make your money back and profit. But instead we go get a so called top notch AD just for him to go hire his coach at the place he was the AD before. It’s blasphemy
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This is a great point. Danny White said that Heupel was the only one offered. That's unbelievable either in that it is not honest or, if true, OMG why not offer better candidates? Why not throw out 9-11 million dollar offers to the first couple on your list and see if one will bite? It's like they worry that they will be embarrassed that the pretty girl turned them down so they never even ask her out. Instead they ask her friends if maybe she likes you.

I'm hopeful that Heupel will turn out to be a good hire (might be a product of my BVS), but he would not have been anyone's first choice (except White's apparently).
 
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TNfaninMS said:
Why would we hire a real OC when JH has clearly stated he’s gonna call plays. Seems like a waste of money to me but what do I know.
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I think you want a strong OC for practice player development. You can't have your head coach spend all his time, ahem, coaching the DL. Calling plays in a game is probably not the most significant part of being a coordinator.
 
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greazy1722 said:
Brandon told me they hired Alex Golesh for yall new OC. He is on a plane right now as we speak. Should be announced any min. Huepel brought his OC from UCF
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That’s my fear. If he hires a couple of guys from his old staff then ok. However, if he brings the entire staff then we just got Butch 2.0 and we all remember the best staff in America.
 
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JohnnyJava said:
This is a great point. Danny White said that Heupel was the only one offered. That's unbelievable either in that it is not honest or, if true, OMG why not offer better candidates? Why not throw out 9-11 million dollar offers to the first couple on your list and see if one will bite? It's like they worry that they will be embarrassed that the pretty girl turned them down so they never even ask her out. Instead they ask her friends if maybe she likes you.

I'm hopeful that Heupel will turn out to be a good hire (might be a product of my BVS), but he would not have been anyone's first choice (except White's apparently).
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I don't think we will ever know the truth...Throw out 9 - 11 million to just anyone is spending money to get any ole coach....The situation appears to suck so just throw out a bunch of money on someone that may or may not work out or may not be a good fit....is well ridiculous...I am sure you will pony up the money...

Quite obvious that no one wanted the job and we may have had egg on or face due to what we have done since 2007, plus not sure if the Pruitt settlement is over yet or not....

UT Admin is like Congress spending money and throwing darts blindfolded....
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
The 28-8 can be misleading. The more of frosts players that left the worse his record got. Also in 2020 his recruiting class ranked 7th in the AAC, and his school is in Florida a recruiting hotbed. So as his recruits came in, their performance went down and that isn’t debatable. If they kept winning even with frosts players leaving, I’d be thrilled. But they went backwards, they regressed.
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This is what bothers me most about the choice. I get that we are not a good place to attract a top drawer coach now. I get that there may or may not have been a hardnosed search with $10 million or more on the table. I know UT is facing an NCAA investigation that may bring even more trouble to a new or even headline coach to the degree that the program may not recover for 5 or more years. But, I look at this as a Bill Battle-like process where the results were great while he was living off Dickey's legacy but each year there was a steady decline in quality and record. I hope we are not headed back down that path with CJH following Frost's success as an example. I graduated in '74 and SI noted that year that the Orange had won more games than ANY other NCAA school in the 20th century. I am merely hoping that I live long enough to see UT compete and win.
 
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JohnnyJava said:
I think you want a strong OC for practice player development. You can't have your head coach spend all his time, ahem, coaching the DL. Calling plays in a game is probably not the most significant part of being a coordinator.
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Somebody posted video of Golesh schooling his TE’s perfect yang to Heupel’s quieter ying. Lot of aggressive in the face fundamental schooling. It’s just video but showed me something I hadn’t noticed since the days of Cut and Chavis.
 
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mercuryvol said:
This is what bothers me most about the choice. I get that we are not a good place to attract a top drawer coach now. I get that there may or may not have been a hardnosed search with $10 million or more on the table. I know UT is facing an NCAA investigation that may bring even more trouble to a new or even headline coach to the degree that the program may not recover for 5 or more years. But, I look at this as a Bill Battle-like process where the results were great while he was living off Dickey's legacy but each year there was a steady decline in quality and record. I hope we are not headed back down that path with CJH following Frost's success as an example. I graduated in '74 and SI noted that year that the Orange had won more games than ANY other NCAA school in the 20th century. I am merely hoping that I live long enough to see UT compete and win.
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next year man.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
You don't have to believe anything that has been said to understand that it is true. The facts alone support it.

First of all, look at the number of "proven winner" coaches in recent years that have been pulled from one winning P5 program to another. Alabama got lucky because Saban didn't like coaching in the NFL. Jimbo Fisher had extenuating circumstances that made leaving FSU easier. It rarely happens because it is very difficult to do.

It's not just about money. If you are a late middle aged person, which most of these coaches are, and have made a seven-figure salary for several years already, which most of these coaches have, the money doesn't mean what you or I think it means. It's not going to change a whole lot for them. They already have enough to live where they want live, do what they want to do and give what they want to give. They aren't going to walk away from everything they've built for money they don't need.

Just look at all of the coaches that have been hired by P5 schools in recent years. including SEC schools. The hires typically look a whole lot more like Josh Heupel than Jimbo Fisher. Why? Because that's what the market has to offer.

So, even without the pending sanctions, a "home run" was a long shot at best and not because we are Tennessee but because they always are for any school. The sanctions just make it more difficult.
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People don't seem to realize that every single traditional power that hired a coach in the last 20 years hired someone from G5 or lower, an OC/DC, fired/quit the NFL, or someone who "retired". The only two I can think of who pulled active P5 coaches in the last decade or so was USC getting Kiffin and I think Sarkisian, Florida with Mullen, Miss State with Leach and PSU getting Franklin. Vandy and Miss State are the two worst SEC teams as a rule and WSU is in the bottom two in the PAC. So basically USC is the only one I can remember pulling off the P5 to P5 from a top level program from 2009 to now.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
I don't think we will ever know the truth...Throw out 9 - 11 million to just anyone is spending money to get any ole coach....The situation appears to suck so just throw out a bunch of money on someone that may or may not work out or may not be a good fit....is well ridiculous...I am sure you will pony up the money...

Quite obvious that no one wanted the job and we may have had egg on or face due to what we have done since 2007, plus not sure if the Pruitt settlement is over yet or not....

UT Admin is like Congress spending money and throwing darts blindfolded....
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I wasn’t advocating offering obscene amounts to “any ole coach”, but rather to those you have determined to be the best in their profession. Even offering that kind of money, you might be correct that it would not be an inducement to come here. But why not try? Because it would be embarrassing to be turned down? That’s silly. Even sillier is the idea that spending top dollar for who you have identified as the best possible coach is unaffordable. Quite the opposite is the case. UT revenue goes through the roof with success. Hiring Jeremy Pruitt type candidates robs income stream for the school and ends up costing you seven million per year anyway, which is what Pruitts salary plus his 10-12 million buyout end up costing for three years of poor coaching (if we had paid his severance). Not to mention buyouts of remaining staff contracts, where applicable. Scrimping on a coach salary on the front end is penny wise, pound poor.
 
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de1conley said:
Never a keyboard warrior, I’m a warrior in real life.
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de1conley said:
Never a keyboard warrior, I’m a warrior in real life. Ask around if you like mediocrity fine I don’t which is why both of my companies flourish bountifullly. On Feb 3 I will eat good and sleep really well knowing that the kids are going to stable situations. Meanwhile 4 or so are sitting in Knoxville with idiots running the school who tell on themselves and look like idiots in a press conference. Then fake a coaching search to hire midmajor mediocre
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Yeah and we should have kept Pruitt right?
 
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VolArmy74 said:
People don't seem to realize that every single traditional power that hired a coach in the last 20 years hired someone from G5 or lower, an OC/DC, fired/quit the NFL, or someone who "retired". The only two I can think of who pulled active P5 coaches in the last decade or so was USC getting Kiffin and I think Sarkisian, Florida with Mullen, Miss State with Leach and PSU getting Franklin. Vandy and Miss State are the two worst SEC teams as a rule and WSU is in the bottom two in the PAC. So basically USC is the only one I can remember pulling off the P5 to P5 from a top level program from 2009 to now.
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Jimbo Fisher says hello
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
He might get hired as Head Coach for UCF.

Otherwise, we might get him, but it'll cost a lot. He makes $1.2 mil at Ole Miss.
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Considering we aren't paying a buyout for Pruitt and that we made a bargain hire again I think they have plenty of money.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
A loss is a loss though. All teams dealt with Covid and opt outs. I can’t use a loss as reason to justify why a coach is good.
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Losses are losses but wins are wins as well. And a 77% winning pct and one of the most consistent and high scoring offenses in the country count for something as well
 
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