Jarrett Guarantano

[avolation]

Nope. It was not double coverage prior to the throw.

The only thing that matters is the coverage when the ball gets to the receiver, so yea it was double coverage. It's the quarterbacks job to read the defense and predict if the receiver will be open when the ball gets there. Great catch by Callaway as he high pointed the ball. I'm happy that QD feels comfortable enough to throw that one up for Callaway and let him go catch it, but Dormady shouldn't get any credit for that pass.

I wanna see Dormady take the next step and throw his receivers open. As of right now, he's about on the same level of Dobbs as a passer.

 

[Vol_guy]

If we want to be successful in SEC play we have to have a mobile QB with a real threat to keep the ball on read option plays

 

[butchna]

You might want to go back to both guys HS stats and rethink this statement.

JG's are incomplete since he missed major portions of his last two seasons.

 

[volfan102455]

You might want to go back to both guys HS stats and rethink this statement.

They were both 4 stars coming out of HS.

 

[volfan102455]

If we want to be successful in SEC play we have to have a mobile QB with a real threat to keep the ball on read option plays

Why? There have been many really successful teams in the SEC that do not have a mobile QB.

 

[Power T-Rev]

JG is the more gifted QB and will take the job from Dormady if he keeps his mind right and continues to work. Frankly, I would not be surprised if he finishes the year as the starter. Just a matter of time and reps.

Don't hold your breath

 

[whobethis16]

The only thing that matters is the coverage when the ball gets to the receiver, so yea it was double coverage. It's the quarterbacks job to read the defense and predict if the receiver will be open when the ball gets there. Great catch by Callaway as he high pointed the ball. I'm happy that QD feels comfortable enough to throw that one up for Callaway and let him go catch it, but Dormady shouldn't get any credit for that pass.

I wanna see Dormady take the next step and throw his receivers open. As of right now, he's about on the same level of Dobbs as a passer.

For the 3rd time, the "double coverage" where the 2nd guy is almost 5 yards behind the play at the time of the catch? By your own definition of double coverage, that play was not. As is evident from this picture.

 

[whobethis16]

JG's are incomplete since he missed major portions of his last two seasons.

And Dormady attempting 17 passes in 2 games last year is really being given the opportunity that everyone is wanting JG to get?

 

[whobethis16]

If we want to be successful in SEC play we have to have a mobile QB with a real threat to keep the ball on read option plays

No, we need big nasties up front to open up holes for the RBs and can protect the QB.

 

[whobethis16]

If we want to be successful in SEC play we have to have a mobile QB with a real threat to keep the ball on read option plays

The last time we lost fewer than 3 conference games was 10 years ago. With a pro style quarterback.

 

[KBVol]

Yes, If you watch the game everytime Dormady steps back to look to the sidelines, so do the wide receivers, and running backs. Dormady never signals a play to the receivers and running backs he only relays to the OL. He may signal a receiver, on an RPO to let him know he likes a matchup or coverage displayed pre-snap. But never changing an entire play without guidance from the sideline!

Just heard Brent Hubbs say "Quentin made a check on his own on the pass to Brandon Johnson" vs Indy State which resulted in a touchdown.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Just heard Brent Hubbs say "Quentin made a check on his own on the pass to Brandon Johnson" vs Indy State which resulted in a touchdown.

Yep, saw him do that with my own two eyes. He didn't get a signal from the sideline--saw a mismatch, shouted out a change, and executed.

Was really excited to see that, from a lad in his 2nd start. Very promising that he's already taking his first steps toward commanding the offense.

 

[johnrlansford]

I bet a lot scares you. What better options do you see at this point? Why not support the player the coaches have chosen? The OL is pretty scary. So is the defense at times.

The quarterbacks nor few if any other players will be in mid to late season form. Why continue to rail on them?

I never said we had a better option, but that doesn't mean he he is perfect? You must have limited reading skills, I have repeatedly said he is the best option and I support him fully! But expecting better results and decision making isn't railing him! It is stating the obvious, Dormady has made good decisions and Bad decisions. SEC defense won't be as forgiving when he makes mistakes! That is all I am saying, he needs to get better, I think most can agree on that.:loco:

 

[johnrlansford]

Here you go big boy. He was talking about JG at the time but I'm sure he expects similar game management from his more experienced starter.

"Again, there's no substitute for live game repetitions, and he did some very good things," Jones said of Guarantano. "A couple times on ball location, he did a very good job of standing in the pocket and being able to deliver the ball. But all the nuances of managing the line of scrimmage and getting in the right play and all those things, that comes with repetitions, that's the only way you can simulate it."

http://amp.timesfreepress.com/news/...ones-hpraises-both-dormady-guarantano/448476/

Getting in the right play, that is signaled to him nowhere does it say audibling or changing the play at the line, so what have you proven? NOTHING

 

[butchna]

And Dormady attempting 17 passes in 2 games last year is really being given the opportunity that everyone is wanting JG to get?

You're misunderstanding my post. Throwing high school stats out to champion JG is misguided.

 

[johnrlansford]

Just heard Brent Hubbs say "Quentin made a check on his own on the pass to Brandon Johnson" vs Indy State which resulted in a touchdown.

On offense but Hubbs also said that Gruden was a real possibility at Tennessee!

 

[whobethis16]

You're misunderstanding my post. Throwing high school stats out to champion JG is misguided.

Ah, my mistake. Carry on.

 

[sjt18]

The only thing that matters is the coverage when the ball gets to the receiver, so yea it was double coverage.

So according to you... any time a QB throws a pass and the DB's react by closing on the receiver... he's thrown into double coverage? By your definition, every QB throws into coverage about 90% of the time... so what's the problem? QD is nothing but a normal QB.

It's the quarterbacks job to read the defense and predict if the receiver will be open when the ball gets there. Great catch by Callaway as he high pointed the ball.

Yeah. The ball was thrown where he could catch it. It was thrown where the DB's only play was on MC and at that it was barely a play. There are A LOT of ways that ball could have been thrown and most of them go as an incompletion or INT. QD trusted his receiver and put the ball where his guy could catch it but the bad guys couldn't.

I'm happy that QD feels comfortable enough to throw that one up for Callaway and let him go catch it, but Dormady shouldn't get any credit for that pass.

You are trying WAY too hard to dismiss and trash Dormady.

I wanna see Dormady take the next step and throw his receivers open. As of right now, he's about on the same level of Dobbs as a passer.

You mean like he has to MC on multiple occasions? Or like he did on the TD to Palmer? There are repeated examples of him throwing receivers open in just the first two games.

In the ISU game there were two balls to Palmer that were just overthrown. I didn't see what happened during the route and the replay doesn't show it either... but he either tried to lead him (throw him open) and missed by a bit or 5 got held up trying to get off coverage. Either way, with Dobbs those balls are underthrown and either a contested catch or defended by the DB. RARELY did Dobbs miss a receiver throwing in front of him.

For that matter, the one that Wolf almost caught was the same deal. He led him just a tad too much.

If you really need it, I'll go through and give you more examples and some examples where he didn't do it if I can find them... but it would really be better if you took your biased lenses off and did it for yourself.

 

[johnrlansford]

So according to you... any time a QB throws a pass and the DB's react by closing on the receiver... he's thrown into double coverage? By your definition, every QB throws into coverage about 90% of the time... so what's the problem? QD is nothing but a normal QB.

Yeah. The ball was thrown where he could catch it. It was thrown where the DB's only play was on MC and at that it was barely a play. There are A LOT of ways that ball could have been thrown and most of them go as an incompletion or INT. QD trusted his receiver and put the ball where his guy could catch it but the bad guys couldn't.

You are trying WAY too hard to dismiss and trash Dormady.



You mean like he has to MC on multiple occasions? Or like he did on the TD to Palmer? There are repeated examples of him throwing receivers open in just the first two games.

In the ISU game there were two balls to Palmer that were just overthrown. I didn't see what happened during the route and the replay doesn't show it either... but he either tried to lead him (throw him open) and missed by a bit or 5 got held up trying to get off coverage. Either way, with Dobbs those balls are underthrown and either a contested catch or defended by the DB. RARELY did Dobbs miss a receiver throwing in front of him.

For that matter, the one that Wolf almost caught was the same deal. He led him just a tad too much.

If you really need it, I'll go through and give you more examples and some examples where he didn't do it if I can find them... but it would really be better if you took your biased lenses off and did it for yourself.

No one is trashing Dormady, we jus think he needs to improve going into SEC Play. You are taking this way too personal!

If you can't see with your eyes that he needs to get better to be the type of QB we need to win the SECE then you are dilusional!

He is a great kid with great potential but needs to improve like every QB in the country needs too.

 

[sjt18]

Getting in the right play, that is signaled to him nowhere does it say audibling or changing the play at the line, so what have you proven? NOTHING

Jones said that the audible QD made on that TD was something they had been working on. I believe he even said they expected to use it vs GT... someone said that.

Scott made it pretty clear that in the framework of their O, they don't have a lot of audibles. HOWEVER, Jones talked about this when he first arrived and others have since. The QB in Jones' system will often get a set from the sideline. Usually that set will include a run and a pass. The QB is supposed to choose the play based on what he sees. He's also responsible for making the line calls.

So while UT's QB is not allowed or taught to make audibles like Manning did in the NFL... they are responsible for making calls in real time based on recognition of defensive alignments.

This information is out there. You don't have to believe any of us.

 

[whobethis16]

No one is trashing Dormady, we jus think he needs to improve going into SEC Play. You are taking this way too personal!

If you can't see with your eyes that he needs to get better to be the type of QB we need to win the SECE then you are dilusional!

He is a great kid with great potential but needs to improve like every QB in the country needs too.

Well, no ****. Why not start a thread with the backup RG's name to simply say the starter needs to play better? No, this is not simply saying Dormady needs to play better. Everyone on the damn team needs to play better.

 

[BeecherVol]

I never said we had a better option, but that doesn't mean he he is perfect? You must have limited reading skills, I have repeatedly said he is the best option and I support him fully! But expecting better results and decision making isn't railing him! It is stating the obvious, Dormady has made good decisions and Bad decisions. SEC defense won't be as forgiving when he makes mistakes! That is all I am saying, he needs to get better, I think most can agree on that.:loco:

Sounds familiar.

 

[sjt18]

No one is trashing Dormady, we jus think he needs to improve going into SEC Play. You are taking this way too personal!

:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove: You are trashing him... and about the only thing I'm taking personal is just that... A Vol player is being unfairly trashed. I'd do the same for any other Vol player. You on the other hand have a long history of not liking the guy. Others vested themselves emotionally in JG for whatever reason.

If you can't see with your eyes that he needs to get better to be the type of QB we need to win the SECE then you are dilusional!

Not a soul said he doesn't need to improve. He just isn't the disaster that you try to portray with generalizations that do not line up with the facts.

He's thrown 55 passes. You and others have declared that he "throws into coverage". He's done that probably twice in the GT 1st half badly but no more than 4 or 5 times total.... that's pretty par for CFB QB's. Are those mistakes that can cost you games? Absolutely. Does he need to eliminate it? Absolutely. Does it mean he's the liability you and others suggest? No.

You also keep saying that he's staring down receivers. You gave one example that I've seen... and I pointed you to video that proves you are wrong. It was a very bad play. It was a bad read.... but the cause was NOT him staring the receiver down.

He is a great kid with great potential but needs to improve like every QB in the country needs too.

I'm glad you are saying this... but it isn't consistent with your posts to date.

 

[Vol4ever]

JG is the more gifted QB and will take the job from Dormady if he keeps his mind right and continues to work. Frankly, I would not be surprised if he finishes the year as the starter. Just a matter of time and reps.

BS.........Dormady can really throw the ball. JG has a ton of work to do to be a SEC QB. JG is young and I hope he improves, but he will not be the QB this year unless QD is injured.

Mark that down^^^^

 

[k-town_king]

It's obvious Dormady is the starter, and JG should get the same amount/quality of reps QD got under Dobbs, barring a total collapse or injury. Fair?

And that's a Peterman collapse, not a GT first half "collapse".

Completely different situation. Dormady was never in a competition with Dobbs. The gap between Dobbs and Dormady was a million times wider than the gap between the two this year.