Jarrett Guarantano

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johnrlansford said:
A hot route receiver isn't changing the play it is adjusting to the defense which I clearly said in my last post, The TE Motion is to see if they are in man or zone coverage.
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You're splitting hairs.

The play was called in from the sideline. #12 immediately recognized the coverage, he moved the TE to isolate the slot receiver. The route combo had to be communicated to both the slot and the wideout. He communicated protection to the Oline... all this in about 5 seconds.

Not sure what more you're wanting him to do. If it's choosing between the any of the plays we can run from a given set, I would much rather that call come from the box where there is a team of offensive experts with an All22 view of the field to choose the play.
 
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johnrlansford said:
A hot route receiver isn't changing the play it is adjusting to the defense which I clearly said in my last post, The TE Motion is to see if they are in man or zone coverage.
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Call it what you want but without looking to the sideline Dormady read blitz, moved the TE to provide protection, and threw a perfect pass to the receiver for a touch down.

We have no way to know if he changed the receivers route.

Looks to be a bit more than a hot route.

In the tech game you'll also see Dormady check into a zone right that gets blown up by tech.

I believe Dormady has the freedom to run a limited number of plays when he sees a specific defense. Probably not more than a few but designed to take advantage of the defense if they are trying to game us. If you see this do that.
 
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johnrlansford said:
Read all my post I am consistent in the fact that I believe that Dormady can improve, But he still scares me with his decision making especially going into SEC play! Very Consistent! And you sir aren't a challenge!
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I bet a lot scares you. What better options do you see at this point? Why not support the player the coaches have chosen? The OL is pretty scary. So is the defense at times.

The quarterbacks nor few if any other players will be in mid to late season form. Why continue to rail on them?
 
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johnrlansford said:
I have agreed that Dormady is the better option numerous times. I am not holding anything against Dormady, but he isn't a very good QB right now. He will get better I think, but no one can say that he is a great QB right now!!!

He has done some good things and some bad things but consistancy is my major concern, He has to be better because we have played 2 worst defenses we will get to see, he won't get away with some of his previous decisions against FL, GA, AL, LSU.

That is all I am saying, I am not trying to beat him down but he does need to get better, I think most logical people can admit that!
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He definitely needs to get better and I am confident he will. I see no need to continually nitpick every little deficiency of his on a forum. We have to remember, the coaches video and review every little thing these guys do and discuss it to ad nauseam. On top of that, they grade every practice and game including how they move from one station to the next and interact with the other players. Some guy in the corner of the endzone in the stands gathering concensus among the other drunken bleacher coaches so they can critique and argue that our starting quarterback isn't very good doesn't help one thing. Instead of trusting the self appointed bleacher coaches that buy their game wear, I'll trust those that get it as part of their package and are actually on the field and in the video rooms.
 
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johnrlansford said:
All QBs do it on occasion, but QD has shown a trend of doing it.
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Then it should be really, really easy to prove.... but you've given one or two things you think are examples. Regardless of what you and the people in your section thought... you can rewatch the video any time you like and see QD look in Wolf's direction before looking up field and throwing the ball. It is really pretty undeniable if you're willing to actually look at the objective proof. He may have and probably did make a pre-snap read and believe that 5 would be open. That was a mistake. It was a bad read. Even the very best QB's do that once in a while. It is NOT a case of him staring down a receiver as you have repeatedly claimed. It matters because one is a elementary level mistake while the other is a mistake even high level players make but try to minimize.

I think he can improve on it, but he still scares me against SEC defenses. I hope he can break the habit and lead us to a great season!!!
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You appear to be hedging here. The part that probably scares you is that he might succeed and make you look worse than you do... so you want to be able to save face and say that you thought he could do it. OTOH, if he fails, your "fright" still allows you to come back and say "I told you so".

He doesn't have a "habit" of staring down receivers. He simply doesn't. As I've mentioned before, Jones' route trees will put multiple receivers into the same area. A QB can look into that area and decide where to throw the ball based on reading a defender or two. Sometimes that read will cause them to look to another option in a different area.

There are some things QD did that are worthy of picking on. He's turned his shoulders for dump downs too early twice in two games. One was almost picked by GT. One was batted away by ISU. The one vs GT always has a chance of being close... the question is whether he saw that defender or not. The one vs ISU was just a really bad play. He has at least 3 times including the pick made bad pre-snap decisions to throw to guys who ended up being well covered. He did so once each to Wolf and JJ in the GT game and then the pick in this one.

I know you want it to be so you can be proven right... but QB is not the biggest issue on this team right now. It isn't the biggest issue on the O right now. It isn't even the second biggest issue on the O right now.

Bigger issues... no penetration or pressure by the down 4... weak LB play especially Jumper... Martin.... inability to set the edge... OL play generally... WR inexperience and mistakes...
 
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How can a guy with the pocket presense and mobility touted on here let a defender get this close to him? It the guy coming from the backside raised his arm a little higher, he would have a fumble sack. That's two defenders JG was pressured by. Did he complete this pass?

He needs to get much better before SEC play as this was against a no name crappy team that is just barely above a high school team. JG could have read the defense and checked or called an audible, moved out of the pocket to avoid the rush, taken off and ran the ball for positive yardage, gotten rid of the ball quicker, read the defense and hit his relief target. Man, he sucks and isn't ready for SEC play. He has to get much better because I'm scared he is just one play away from being the starter.

See what I did there? It's easy to nitpick and expect perfection.
 

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johnrlansford said:
Dormady manages the offense, as in gets people in position for the play, not changing and calling audibles at the line of scrimage. Jones has never said that ever!!!!!
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Here you go big boy. He was talking about JG at the time but I'm sure he expects similar game management from his more experienced starter.

"Again, there's no substitute for live game repetitions, and he did some very good things," Jones said of Guarantano. "A couple times on ball location, he did a very good job of standing in the pocket and being able to deliver the ball. But all the nuances of managing the line of scrimmage and getting in the right play and all those things, that comes with repetitions, that's the only way you can simulate it."

http://amp.timesfreepress.com/news/...ones-hpraises-both-dormady-guarantano/448476/
 
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k-town_king said:
Pretty much everyone has said that QD is better at this point. He is. He has more command of the o.

He was on the field. Like Swain said people that don't know anything see he was the qb and act like he made was the catalyst for the win. He managed the game well enough to win. That is about it. And he forced a lot of passes. He could have two pick sixes already if not for drops by subpar dbs.
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He could have a better completion % too....:birgits_giggle: if not for the dropped passes. Force a FEW passes.

Not sure why you're bringing Swain into the conversation. You're like a dumb parrot. You repeat what others say that fit your narrative.
 
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m1al said:
Be careful assuming YOU'RE truth is THE truth...
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The statement "he needs to play way better" applies to just about everyone on the team at the moment but some want to only apply it to Dormady as they think that supports their agenda. Nothing but JG fanboys.
 
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k-town_king said:
At least use the right word if you're going to all caps your point.

I have said only facts. Dormady needs to play better to beat good teams.
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OMG, a grammer mistake. You got me..

You have made points. I don't disagree with all of them. Some of the folks YOU'RE arguing with may even agree with some of them but you're trying WAY to hard. This is why you come across as a JG 'fanboy', IMO..
 
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#869
JG is the more gifted QB and will take the job from Dormady if he keeps his mind right and continues to work. Frankly, I would not be surprised if he finishes the year as the starter. Just a matter of time and reps.
 
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CAVPUT said:
JG is the more gifted QB and will take the job from Dormady if he keeps his mind right and continues to work. Frankly, I would not be surprised if he finishes the year as the starter. Just a matter of time and reps.
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It's obvious Dormady is the starter, and JG should get the same amount/quality of reps QD got under Dobbs, barring a total collapse or injury. Fair?

And that's a Peterman collapse, not a GT first half "collapse".
 
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CAVPUT said:
JG is the more gifted QB and will take the job from Dormady if he keeps his mind right and continues to work. Frankly, I would not be surprised if he finishes the year as the starter. Just a matter of time and reps.
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You simply do not know that. There is A LOT more to being the more gifted QB than physical attributes... and those aren't as lopsided as you seem to think.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
You might want to go back to both guys HS stats and rethink this statement.
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Um... they're not in HS anymore. That's a pretty fruitless debate even if it has relevance. JG played in the NJ Catholic leagues... Dormady played in Texas. Different levels of competition.
 
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k-town_king said:
Since when does doubt=certainty. I said I doubt. That was also 2016. If you pull up an post from this camp or spring I said I though QD would start the season. So . . .




Yea because we all know the people who think everyone is equal and fights against racism are the real racists right? :crazy::shakehead:
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Lol. Would've had more respect for you if you'd just owned up to it and said you forgot.
 
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