Jarrett Guarantano...2019

[Vol524]

If JG is a leader which I agree, I think he is a team leader, why in the heck can't his o-line not play their butt off for him. At least get dirty with cleat marks on their chest. For the type of protection JG gets, he must piss in the olines corn flakes, every morning. You would think things would be a little awkward around the o-line considering they let him get blasted from the blindside at least once a game. How many times can the o line apologize to him. I like Trey Smith but when the gaytard took a cheap shot, smith did nothing!

I totally agree with you. I can't for the life of me figure out some of the players on our team. They can't have any self pride. My pride would not let the QB keep getting killed. If nothing else I would help him up of the ground. We used to get even with players that tried to hurt our teammates. Not this squad. I know several of the players feel like they won't be back on the field when the new guys get here next year but my pride wouldn't just let me lay down. Just hit somebody that has on a different uniform than yours. It is not that hard.

 

[cbatey1]

When your OC trains you to throw back shoulder passes to take advantage of the receivers height, it's a play design. Not a prayer like you suggest they are. Get real with yourself dude, you're a joke.

smh smh smh.......smh LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[orangesicle]

By now he should be better at feeling & eluding pressure and he’s not.

He's basically a crash test dummy at this point.

 

[lexkyvol]

Where did I say anything about a different QB? The existence of Chryst or Shrout doesn't negate the existence of JG's deficiencies.

but to continuously completely ignore chryst and cont to whine like a mitch about JG every single post is pathetic. but hey, ur used to being pathetic huh

 

[lexkyvol]

Look at the stats - he took 23 sacks this year, a bit better than the national average.

Clearly you didn't see him last year. He was (this is not even a joke, just a stat) being sacked at a rate of FIVE PER GAME. That is historically bad. I figure if he had started all year, he would have taken 50-60.

Wonderful progress he made in just a few months with the new staff. Some of you all just want to ignore the facts and his stats. The LOtM is strong here on TOS.

"ah, those are just stupid numbers" or "here we go with this numbers crap again".....is what's coming

 

[lexkyvol]

Hardly by a meaningful amount... and he was ahead of them all but Fromm until this last game. I've been following his stats all year and he was 4th in the SEC in completion%, 4th in ypa, and 5th in qbr. That Vandy game was an outlier and honestly he didn't look right. Hasn't since that Mizzou hit he took.

Yet, he still ended middle of the pack behind the unquestionably worst OL in the league (again, stats prove this, this isn't conjecture - check the football outsiders site). And y'all act like he was 14th in the league and ignore all stats.

This place really does seem to be cancerous to its users. Where are all the adults talking reality? You girls can have your crying party.

fits their racist agenda

 

[VFFL@THE BEACH]

Difference is in baseball you get to go forward to your scoring goal...not so much in football..

Good point but what about the hits you take because you hang in the pocket for the completion. Those don't count in the sack total but do wear out the body.

 

[Carl Pickens]

This thread should be stickied so we can refer back to it next season.....

 

[SobeVol]

fits their racist agenda

I agree with your argument, but for the love of all that is holy can we stop with this everpresent racism BS!
If you watch any sport other than curling you pretty much expect to see people of color not only playing but excelling. That argument holds no merit!

 

[Orangeslice13]

This thread should be stickied so we can refer back to it next season.....

I don’t think it’s going away

 

[k-town_king]

Hearing all the same whining when there isn't even a qb competition and JG is the starter next year is going to be tiring. You are deluded if you think he won't be the unquestioned starter.

 

[BeardedVol]

but to continuously completely ignore chryst and cont to whine like a mitch about JG every single post is pathetic. but hey, ur used to being pathetic huh

Your grammar was better when you were making post after post trying to convince everyone that JG's completion percentage plus his YPA was proof that he was the 4th best QB in the SEC, and then calling anyone who disagreed with you a racist; what happened?

 

[nomads-11]

By now he should be better at feeling & eluding pressure and he’s not.

Agree, and that isn't coachable, IMO.

 

[allvol123]

Not sold on G but he is hard to judge given our line play. Do not believe he understands the mental part of the position at the level he needs to.

 

[rdk4121]

Throwing 50/50 balls up and hoping that the receiver makes a play on the ball =/= arm talent. JG has literally zero touch on his throws, and pretty much never 'throws his receivers open'. He might be the best QB on the roster, but that's not saying much, and outside of Arkansas, there's not another SEC team that would have traded their QB for JG this season.

That's just a lie or you are someone that hasn't bothered to watch any games this year. Guarantano was the 4th or 5th best QB this year in the SEC behind the worst offensive line in the SEC by far, probably worst in the country. So because he uses the strength of the receivers (50/50 balls), that's a negative. It's not like they usually create a ton of separation, that's just not the type of receivers they are for the most part. It's not like the receivers are catching every ball thrown their way. If Kentucky has him, they win at least a couple more games. He's better than Burrow as well. Fitzgerald is just a running back, but whatever. He's better than Stidham, beat him head to head as well.

Not only do we have the worst OL, but we also for some unknown reason don't throw the ball that much, 2nd lowest to Fromm, who has the best rushing attack in the SEC. Even the guy who has run is 201 times still has thrown more passes than him. Guarantano isn't perfect, but he's way better than most of the board wants to give him credit. If you put him on Georgia or Alabama I'd bet he'd look like an All-SEC guy.

 

[btate]

How many more games would we have won if Josh Dobbs had been our QB? Folks that only replacing one player. How important is the QB position?

 

[DaUndergroundMan]

This is a hell of a good post OP. I agree with everything except that JG's faults are correctable, or rather correctable in a time frame that benefits the football program.

3 seasons in... I believe at this point wysiwyg.

 

[82_VOL_83]

.......will be at WKU.
.......will be concussed for another 13 weeks.
.......will transfer.


Just going with a finish the thread title theme.

 

[82_VOL_83]

How many more games would we have won if Josh Dobbs had been our QB? Folks that only replacing one player. How important is the QB position?

Well because I am racist, no more.

But, because I thought Dobbs was the only reason that we had the success we did, FL, SC, MO, Vandy, and maybe WVU.

 

[RollerVol]

I'm not even sure JG knew where he was in the Vandy game...his eyes were glazed and he looked shell-shocked...sad...

GO VOLS...RECRUIT LIKE HELL!

 

[OldandStillaVol]

Helton leaving actually makes me feel better about JG. I think the OL will be improved next year (not saying much) but I wish we could get a Rondale Moore / K Toney type player involved in the offense. Watching our offense this year was like watching a team in slow motion.

 

[lexkyvol]

sure

I agree with your argument, but for the love of all that is holy can we stop with this everpresent racism BS!
If you watch any sport other than curling you pretty much expect to see people of color not only playing but excelling. That argument holds no merit!

it does...but folks love to avoid admitting it does. see, its easy to blame the person who calls it out when the truth sits right there for everyone to see. if your constantly looking for/ finding issues with a person.....that is doing well.....its not what they do, but what they are

 

[diehardvolsfan]

Guarantono 2019? No please I will take another QB. Lets see Shrout.

I second that motion. Is there a 3rd??

 

[SobeVol]

sure

it does...but folks love to avoid admitting it does. see, its easy to blame the person who calls it out when the truth sits right there for everyone to see. if your constantly looking for/ finding issues with a person.....that is doing well.....its not what they do, but what they are

Nope!
Not buying it.
People just like to push that agenda every chance they get.
JG’s decision making and performance are the only items in this discussion.
The rest is just noise

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Let me start by saying that I'm not into the whole "Chryst crowd vs. Guarantano crowd." I thought that it was absurd to even engage in such manufactured tribalism. We're all UT fans and we all want UT to win. Just because we have a different opinion on which QB gave us the best chance, that doesn't make anyone less of a Tennessee fan.

Furthermore, that type of tribal thinking tends to put people into the extremes. Many put it in terms of "Guarantano/Chryst is good or Guarantano/Chryst is terrible." Truth is, both have strengths, both have weaknesses.

Let me just say that I wanted to see Chryst play more at times this year. I thought he did a good job of getting the ball out quickly and seemed to put the offense into better protections. There is much more to playing QB than throwing the ball. His INT before the half against Missouri was a game-changer, but I think it was a communication issue. Had he been given the first team practice reps, that probably doesn't happen is my guess (but just a guess).

That said, Guarantano clearly has more arm talent than Chryst. Guarantano doesn't turn the ball over and he's generally pretty accurate. His flaws are that he holds the ball too long and doesn't get through his progressions quickly. And, I think, he doesn't understand protections or read defenses quite as well as Chryst does. I think.

I bring this up because I'm seeing a lot of folks saying Guarantano shouldn't be the QB in 2019, Tennessee will never get over the hump with him at QB, etc. I don't buy that. Here's the thing....Jarrett's shortcomings are correctable. They're not about God-given talent (or lack thereof). It's not about lack of toughness. He has all that. His shortcomings are all coachable. He can get better at going through his progressions. In fact, he improved on that from last year, no reason to think he cannot further improve. He can understand protections and reading defenses better, as well.

There is no guarantee that he will get better in those areas. But I suspect he will. Let's not act like we know for certain that 2019 Jarrett Guarantano can't be a star QB. I suspect he can. Especially if his OLine gets better. It can't get much worse.