Jarrett Guarantano...2019

#27
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BloomuVol said:
I also love how you take the positive game plan from Auburn, and try to make it a weak point for JG your attempts are so disingenuous its ducking pathetic.
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Because the fact that Auburn's secondary didn't play the ball all day, didn't factor into our receivers making plays at all did it?

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Whether you wan to accept it or not, the Auburn game was an outlier, and far from the norm this season.
 
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VolFanInHawaii said:
this Oline couldn't have started on any other SEC team this season. if JG sucks, it's because he's getting whacked 15 times a game
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But that is not the only reason. When he has time, his throws are not good enough. He threw some really bad passes last night with little pressure on those particular plays.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Because the fact that Auburn's secondary didn't play the ball all day, didn't factor into our receivers making plays at all did it?

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Whether you wan to accept it or not, the Auburn game was an outlier, and far from the norm this season.
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And yet you keep acting like that was the only game you watched. Seriously you need to learn how to think before commenting. It's like you think with a different qb we would have won the sec.
 
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This just my opinion based on watching JG. He does hang on to the ball longer than normal. I think that is because he is trying to take care of the ball. He doesn't have a lot of time to go through his reads. The O line doesn't block and sometimes doesn't slow the rusher down at all. He does get hit a lot. The thing about that is he never complains about the hits. It is like he accepts that as part of being a QB. I am not sure if his ability to read the defense is the problem or is it the O line. I think it may be both. More on the line, since they can play half a game and still have clean uniforms. Is he the best QB we have ever had. NO, not by a long shot. He is without a doubt the toughest one in my life time and I am old. He is not the reason we are not as good as we want to be. From players interviews, he is a team leader and they are behind him 100%. I just wish a few of the linemen would get in front of him and block. I do think he improved over last year and I look forward to next year. GO VOLS!
 
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BloomuVol said:
And yet you keep acting like that was the only game you watched. Seriously you need to learn how to think before commenting. It's like you think with a different qb we would have won the sec.
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Where did I say anything about a different QB? The existence of Chryst or Shrout doesn't negate the existence of JG's deficiencies.
 
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JG is the same QB this year as he was last year. Still does not read the defense. Cannot 'lead' a receiver. Can not go through a progression of receivers. The major difference this year was that most plays were designed with a designated receiver so he had no decision to make as to which receiver to throw to. On play calls where he needed to pick a receiver, the play was a guaranteed sack.

JG is a fine athlete and a credit to the program, but he has no future as a QB. Possibly he could play safety.
 
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GregAmsler said:
Let me start by saying that I'm not into the whole "Chryst crowd vs. Guarantano crowd." I thought that it was absurd to even engage in such manufactured tribalism. We're all UT fans and we all want UT to win. Just because we have a different opinion on which QB gave us the best chance, that doesn't make anyone less of a Tennessee fan.

Furthermore, that type of tribal thinking tends to put people into the extremes. Many put it in terms of "Guarantano/Chryst is good or Guarantano/Chryst is terrible." Truth is, both have strengths, both have weaknesses.

Let me just say that I wanted to see Chryst play more at times this year. I thought he did a good job of getting the ball out quickly and seemed to put the offense into better protections. There is much more to playing QB than throwing the ball. His INT before the half against Missouri was a game-changer, but I think it was a communication issue. Had he been given the first team practice reps, that probably doesn't happen is my guess (but just a guess).

That said, Guarantano clearly has more arm talent than Chryst. Guarantano doesn't turn the ball over and he's generally pretty accurate. His flaws are that he holds the ball too long and doesn't get through his progressions quickly. And, I think, he doesn't understand protections or read defenses quite as well as Chryst does. I think.

I bring this up because I'm seeing a lot of folks saying Guarantano shouldn't be the QB in 2019, Tennessee will never get over the hump with him at QB, etc. I don't buy that. Here's the thing....the Jarrett's shortcomings are correctable. They're not about God-given talent (or lack thereof). It's not about lack of toughness. He has all that. His shortcomings are all coachable. He can get better at going through his progressions. In fact, he improved on that from last year, no reason to think he cannot further improve. He can understand protections and reading defenses better, as well.

There is no guarantee that he will get better in those areas. But I suspect he will. Let's not act like we know for certain that 2019 Jarrett Guarantano can't be a star QB. I suspect he can. Especially if his OLine gets better. It can't get much worse.
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You make a lot of good points, and like you I don't care if it's JG or Keller I just want the best player playing. And before I divulge any further our O-Line is a big part of our offensive problem and hasn't helped out the QB position at all. I admire JG's toughness, but purely from a opinion perspective I just do not think JG is quick enough in his decision making or speed wise. His progression reads have not improved. I am not saying it is impossible but he should be able to recognize some things by now that he doesn't, he is just not a top flight QB in terms of progressions and being able to process the speed of the game. Keller isn't either, not trying to pile on JG has taken a ton of hits and doesn't get much time often but I think and hope he gets pushed and hopefully Shrout is motivated to go try to win the job. I have doubts that JG can be a better than average QB, not every play is going to be perfect and you have to have a feel for the game in this league. Jones and staff did not know how to develop or recruit a QB, Jones told Trevor Lawrence he wasn't a good fit here for goodness sakes. We have to go get Qb's with real SEC talent. Neither Keller nor JG is very fast either, JG quite frankly looks slow most of the time he just isn't very reactionary. The speed of the game is too much for JG or Keller. GBO!
 
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Can we please start arguing about next year.
I think a qb we have not signed yet has the advantage going into spring practice
 
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BeardedVol said:
No OC trains a QB to throw every pass greater than 15 yards so that they require the receiver to stop short and jump, or turn around and back pedal for 3 seconds in order to have a chance at a completion.

I don't think there's even been another UT QB with a dedicated excuse army, ready to try to spin his glaring deficiencies away from him; some of you guys should be working in politics for sure.
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The sideline throws are back shoulder throws that are purposely under thrown. That’s what makes them hard to defend. JG did a pretty good job on those. He under threw many to the middle of the field though
 
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JG doesn't seem to have a HIGH football IQ as he is in his 3rd year and he should be able to recognize certain things on defenses by now and he doesn't and even though the line didn't help alot either. He doesn't seem to process information quickly when the play breaks down.
 
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grobin4300 said:
JG doesn't seem to have a HIGH football IQ as he is in his 3rd year and he should be able to recognize certain things on defenses by now and he doesn't and even though the line didn't help alot either. He doesn't seem to process information quickly when the play breaks down.
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And how long has he had a coach actually develop him? Seriously it's like you guys forgot this is this staffs first year, they havent even been here a calendar year yet. Sam darnold didnt fully develop into the qb he was until his last two years, expecting Helton to come in and fix all of JG deficiencies is a fault of those that thought it, not those of us that live in reality. I'm not saying that JG is going to be an all sec QB, but to expect a 180 turn around in a few months is a little unrealistic.
 
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I agree that the wide outs made some great leaping catches on those 50/50 balls this year. JG's stats looked better than he deserved. I don't recall very many hit in stride pass plays this year. As well, JG just sets himself up for those hits... so I prefer to see a QB that will make you work harder to lay a lick on him. More like Dobbs... see it, feel it, and evade. JG has none of that... and won't get it during the off season. Bring on the competition... that will be fun to watch.
 
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74charger said:
By now he should be better at feeling & eluding pressure and he’s not.
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Look at the stats - he took 23 sacks this year, a bit better than the national average.

Clearly you didn't see him last year. He was (this is not even a joke, just a stat) being sacked at a rate of FIVE PER GAME. That is historically bad. I figure if he had started all year, he would have taken 50-60.

Wonderful progress he made in just a few months with the new staff. Some of you all just want to ignore the facts and his stats. The LOtM is strong here on TOS.
 
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I’d say JG gave the team the best chance to win this year, but I don’t think he is an SEC player. Definately not a starter. Many say he is tough. That is the last attribute I want when describing a QB. Besides he is no tougher than every other player out there. Many talk about his arm talent. He actually has a weaker arm than almost every QB that I have watched this year. Short on almost every deep throw. No medium range accuracy and can’t consistently thread the needle. Lastly his fans always blame the line. They were very inconsistent but I thought they passed blocked better than they run blocked. Actually 6 teams in the SEC gave up more sacks than TN.
 
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