He may be, doesn't excuse the choices he has made in life. If Janzen were my son, I sure wouldn't want Ray Lewis giving him life advice. On the other hand, whoever has been giving him life advice so far hasn't done too well either.
Oh I have sinned. I am not disagreeing that Ray Lewis might have changed his life around. I am saying I wouldn't want JJ to follow that path, its not been a smoothe one.
I guess Ray Lewis can say, "look, I was a young idiot like you, don't follow my path".
So I guess I can agree with Groves, that approach may work.
What do any of your points have to do with reality? The original comment was if Ray Lewis and Ed Reed can't keep him in line, noone can, and I'd say that's a very sensible statement. It's unlikely that JJ would look Ray Lewis in the eye and tell him to eff-off, 'because I heard you had some off-field issues of your own'.
Now, I take 'keeping him in line' to mean, approximately, 'keeping him from doing something stupid that will keep him off the field'. You seem to take it as meaning that they will teach JJ to be a mild, good-mannered upstanding citizen with impeccable manners and politeness - a pillar of the community. That was never implied nor imagined in the original statement.
I don't think anyone disagrees with you that Ray Lewis has a questionable past and might not be up for some sweet, kind citizen of the year award. But that's totally irrelevant to the original conversation.
If anything, Lewis having a questionable past and threatening demeanor bolsters the suppostion that he could alter a teammate's behavior if he so desired.
My point was Ray Lewis couldn't keep himself out of trouble, what makes one think he can keep JJ out of trouble?
He can't force him to listen. He can only talk to him. So telling him he gonna put a foot in his a@@ may not do a thing. JJ may very well tell him to take a hike, he has basically done that to everyone else that has tried.
He may be, doesn't excuse the choices he has made in life. If Janzen were my son, I sure wouldn't want Ray Lewis giving him life advice. On the other hand, whoever has been giving him life advice so far hasn't done too well either.
First time I have started a thread on VN. Thought this was interesting and figured I would share. Saw a 2nd round mock draft on NFL.com and this Bucky Brooks guy has Jackson going 60th overall to the Ravens, that is by far the highest I have seen Jackson projected. I highly doubt he will go anywhere near that I just thought I would post it for everyone to see or laugh at.
Second-round mock draft: Fleener, Osweiler still available - NFL.com
You need to get over this holier than thou bull****. I'd much rather talk to a guy that's actually made some bad decisions and overcome them and learn how he overcame them than to listen to somebody whose spent their entire life in the damn library that ain't got a clue how to properly wipe their own ass.