Jancek Vs. Shoop 2015 Defensive Ranking Comparisons

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I put this together to get an in depth look on performances between the coaches and their teams this year.

This is not a Jancek bashing piece as I thought overall he did a good job. Overall the results support that.

What jumped out to me is how effective Shoop's defense was on creating chaos and getting off the field. Certainly there are strength of schedule differences and other variables to be debated. Enjoy

A description of "Havoc" was requested so here it is.
Front 7 variant would simply be this category but for just the front 7.

Havoc rate measures the percentage of plays that end in a tackle for loss (including sacks), forced fumble, or tipped/intercepted pass.
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DD4ME said:
I put this together to get an in depth look on performances between the coaches and their teams this year.

This is not a Jancek bashing piece as I thought overall he did a good job. Overall the results support that.

What jumped out to me is how effective Shoop's defense was on creating chaos and getting off the field. Certainly there are strength of schedule differences and other variables to be debated. Enjoy
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I'd be interested to see a breakdown of their defensive depth chart as well. I know they had some studs on their DL, but I'm not sure how their overall talent level stacks up.
 
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I like Jancek but the stats expose our critical weakness this season. 4th down and disruption. Wether we land Shoop or not that needs to be corrected. Hopefully Phillips stays, Tuttle gets healthy, Kmac grows into the beast he is and that happens.
 
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Since it will likely be mentioned I do realize doing an equal weight on the ranks is maybe not the best way but I thought it provided a good high level comparison. ~20 vs ~50
 
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DD4ME said:
I put this together to get an in depth look on performances between the coaches and their teams this year.

This is not a Jancek bashing piece as I thought overall he did a good job. Overall the results support that.

What jumped out to me is how effective Shoop's defense was on creating chaos and getting off the field. Certainly there are strength of schedule differences and other variables to be debated. Enjoy
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Thanks for the information! It's just as we suspected, the UT defense was solid in most situations but horrible on 4th down this past year, and that's why Coach Jancek is looking for work. It's unfortunate, but UT Football is big business and key breakdowns in the 4th quater of the Oklahoma and Florida game's cost Jancek his job.
 
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gunner said:
Thanks for the information! It's just as we suspected, the UT defense was solid in most situations but horrible on 4th down this past year, and that's why Coach Jancek is looking for work. It's unfortunate, but UT Football is big business and key breakdowns in the 4th quater of the Oklahoma and Florida game's cost Jancek his job.
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According to the chatter out there, there could possibly also be off the field reasons for his dismissal. The string of awful 4th down conversions, though, will leave a bitter aftertaste to what was an otherwise encouraging season.
 
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Great chart! 124th in 4th Down D -- wow.

Any one know how many 4th Down attempts were made on us this year (completion ratio; compared to 2013, 014)?

Any way to add FL, GA, USCe, Mizz and Vb to OP's list (ie: these teams play more of the same teams we do, than Penn)?

Considering the potential news of Janzek's off-field issues (as the "cause" of mutual parting), and looking at the 4th down ranking, I'm just wondering if we had a significantly higher % of 4th downs run against us (compared to these/ other teams).

To me, it's as if this 4th down issue began immediately during the BG game (I recall BG converted 4 or 5 4th's -- it's like Baber/Barber had nothing to lose/all to gain), and Staff simply didn't appreciate/compensate for the fact that this was seen later as our weakness (as it turned out, with CJM removing his kick team x2, and likewise converted 4 or 5).

I mean, we're shown here to be ranked 3rd in 3 Down D, and we held bama's O quite effectively overall (this was a huge, well-fought win for Coker).

Too bad we couldn't get that 4th Down issue resolved earlier, after the glaring deficiency shown in the BG game, imo.
 
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gunner said:
Threads on here? Or what?
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Tennessee's defense was fine this year. The 3rd down defense was stellar and reason why UT won most of it's games. Many, many times they gave the offense short fields.

I blame the offense for the Oklahoma and Florida losses. They didn't do jack **** the 2nd halves of those games.....the defense played plenty well enough in those games until late....when they were probably too gassed to hold on. That's an offensive side of the ball issue. A first down here or there and a field goal here or there and UT wins those games....particularly on the backs of the defense......
 
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You also have different personal for each team. Stats would be different with our players at PSU and there's here.....
This chart doesn't mean a thing, I always look at the W's at the end of the season...
 
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madbamahater said:
Tennessee's defense was fine this year. The 3rd down defense was stellar and reason why UT won most of it's games. Many, many times they gave the offense short fields.

I blame the offense for the Oklahoma and Florida losses. They didn't do jack **** the 2nd halves of those games.....the defense played plenty well enough in those games until late....when they were probably too gassed to hold on. That's an offensive side of the ball issue. A first down here or there and a field goal here or there and UT wins those games....particularly on the backs of the defense......
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The offense was inept at getting the ball down the field at times, yes.

But seriously, Florida was 5 for 5 on 4th downs against UT.
 
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UT-Rex said:
Great chart! 124th in 4th Down D -- wow.

Any one know how many 4th Down attempts were made on us this year (completion ratio; compared to 2013, 014)?

Any way to add FL, GA, USCe, Mizz and Vb to OP's list (ie: these teams play more of the same teams we do, than Penn)?

Considering the potential news of Janzek's off-field issues (as the "cause" of mutual parting), and looking at the 4th down ranking, I'm just wondering if we had a significantly higher % of 4th downs run against us (compared to these/ other teams).

To me, it's as if this 4th down issue began immediately during the BG game (I recall BG converted 4 or 5 4th's -- it's like Baber/Barber had nothing to lose/all to gain), and Staff simply didn't appreciate/compensate for the fact that this was seen later as our weakness (as it turned out, with CJM removing his kick team x2, and likewise converted 4 or 5).

I mean, we're shown here to be ranked 3rd in 3 Down D, and we held bama's O quite effectively overall (this was a huge, well-fought win for Coker).

Too bad we couldn't get that 4th Down issue resolved earlier, after the glaring deficiency shown in the BG game, imo.
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Zero effectiveness from pass rush is what smoked UT on the 4th down conversations....not sure that's coaching necessarily unless he schemed to not bring much or any rush....then that's schematical
 
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Does the chart take into account strength of schedule? Where UTs was at the top one of the toughest in the nation where Penn State's wasn't?

The talent level and competetion level of your opponenet has EVERYTHING to do with manipulating these stats one way or the other.

Holding Oklahoma and Florida (before the suspension) on 4th down is much more difficult then holding....oh let's say....the Pennsylvania School For The Blind on 4th downs....just sayin
 
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Also need to consider OUR, untimely injuries DURING GAMES, lack of experienced depth which directly lead to tired legs on those 4th downs and late drives.
 
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madbamahater said:
Tennessee's defense was fine this year. The 3rd down defense was stellar and reason why UT won most of it's games. Many, many times they gave the offense short fields.

I blame the offense for the Oklahoma and Florida losses. They didn't do jack **** the 2nd halves of those games.....the defense played plenty well enough in those games until late....when they were probably too gassed to hold on. That's an offensive side of the ball issue. A first down here or there and a field goal here or there and UT wins those games....particularly on the backs of the defense......
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Not true in the Florida game. Both teams had the ball roughly 15 minutes each the 2nd half. Our TD drive in 4th quarter was 16 plays almost 8 minute drive. Florida's next drive was 17 plays 86 yards. Not the answer you would want.
 
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Captain Mitch said:
The only stat I don't like is the 3rd down defense
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Presume you are referring to Shoop and I agree. Statistically they were getting off the field in 2/3 of their 3rd down plays. Of those that went to 4th however only 1/10 succeeded. Coupled together they seemed ok to me.
 
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