Jan 4th 2012

#77
#77
sjt18 said:
The problem with this whole line of excuses for Jones is that he has suffered blow out losses without winning a division or conference title. Swinney's loss was an aberration. Not so for Jones. It is consistent with his pattern of underachievement.
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what does that have to do with what I said?

All I am saying is that you can't point to a year that you won your conference but lost your bowl in 70-33 as a great year. Great years don't force you to Fire coaches.
 
#78
#78
Sandman 423 said:
So if Ut lost to Florida,Georgia,& Alabama. Then backed into the championship and somehow beat Bama. Then lost by 40 in the Orange bowl that they shouldn't be fired.
I disagree.:hi:
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Yeah, if we beat Bama to win the SEC for the first time since the '90s, I don't really care what happens in the Orange Bowl, tbh. Bowls outside the playoff don't mean much to me; SEC titles mean a lot. Agree to disagree
 
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#79
#79
NashVol11 said:
Yeah, if we beat Bama to win the SEC for the first time since the '90s, I don't really care what happens in the Orange Bowl, tbh. Bowls outside the playoff don't mean much to me; SEC titles mean a lot. Agree to disagree
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That's cool. I just disagree
 
#80
#80
volfannbama said:
CBJ hired the top DC name available and we see the result. At some point one would have to start looking at what the common denominator is.
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Well, that pretty subjective, and I think it was actually Dave Aranda.

But based on your logic, you could easily have justified firing Dabo since Kevin Steele was considered one of the best DC candidates at the time he was hired.
 
#81
#81
volfannbama said:
What are you trying to prove with all the hypotheticals? I don't see anything as being "backed in to." Either you win the games necessary to get you where you are or you do not. If CBJ won the SEC this year, by beating Alabama, I couldn't imagine a circumstances that would rate firing him, as his accomplishments would provide some hope for the future. The issue is through 4 years, I cant think of a single factor that provides hope for the future.
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when you don't win against your biggest rivals but somehow get in the championship, I call that "backing in".
Florida backed in this year because Tennessee couldn't handle its business.
 
#83
#83
Sandman 423 said:
So if Ut lost to Florida,Georgia,& Alabama. Then backed into the championship and somehow beat Bama. Then lost by 40 in the Orange bowl that they shouldn't be fired.
I disagree.:hi:
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how are you going to fire a coach that won the conference title?

Even though I was against Fulmer in '07, I knew he couldn't be fired after backing in to the SECCG. He didn't even win that game and I knew he couldn't be fired.
 
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#84
OHvol40 said:
The Dabo Sweeney lead Tigers of Clemson give up 70 points to WVU en route to an embarrassing loss in the Orange Bowl. Sweeney, in his 4th year as head coach at Clemson, had (according to most native fans) reached his maximum potential as a head coach and was very much on the hot seat. Coordinators were run out of town in a desperate attempt at salvaging Dabo's tenure in Clemson. Fast forward to 2017...

That is your case study as to why our hair-triggered, idiotic fan base should relax and let situations play out as they will. They won't, they will keep "demanding excellence" like it makes a difference (lol), but the wiser of us will enjoy the ride. Support these guys wearing our beloved orange, they may surprise you...
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If Butch goes on a run of 4 straight seasons with 10 wins then it will be comparable. Remember, Clemson was in the Orange Bowl....this could have been Tennessee this year but we blew our chance for a major bowl by losing to Vandy and South Carolina....dabo didn't do that and Dabo is a better recruiter than Butch
 
#85
#85
OHvol40 said:
No, you should stand outside the training complex every day with a copy of the game maxims, demand excellence of everyone that enters, and explain how they are disappointing you...
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^ This shows you how low the bar for success has been set here
 
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#86
volfanbill said:
how are you going to fire a coach that won the conference title?

Even though I was against Fulmer in '07, I knew he couldn't be fired after backing in to the SECCG. He didn't even win that game and I knew he couldn't be fired.
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You knew he couldn't, but did you think that he should have been?
 
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#87
Sandman 423 said:
You knew he couldn't, but did you think that he should have been?
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I did, but you can't apply that type of comparison to Dabo.

Dabo took over a team that spent the past however many seasons winning 7,8 or 9 games. His first full season they won 9 and their division, followed by a lackluster 6 win season, that was followed by the 10 win Orange Bowl loss where they won the ACC Championship. Anyone wanting to fire Dabo would be an idiot.
 
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#88
OHvol40 said:
The Dabo Sweeney lead Tigers of Clemson give up 70 points to WVU en route to an embarrassing loss in the Orange Bowl. Sweeney, in his 4th year as head coach at Clemson, had (according to most native fans) reached his maximum potential as a head coach and was very much on the hot seat. Coordinators were run out of town in a desperate attempt at salvaging Dabo's tenure in Clemson. Fast forward to 2017...

That is your case study as to why our hair-triggered, idiotic fan base should relax and let situations play out as they will. They won't, they will keep "demanding excellence" like it makes a difference (lol), but the wiser of us will enjoy the ride. Support these guys wearing our beloved orange, they may surprise you...
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This. 👍
 
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VolNavy01 said:
Clemson won the ACC Championship that year(his third full year as HC) just saying.........they improved from 6-7 to 10-4, followed that with 11-2, 11-2, 10-3, 14-1, and now 14-1 and a NC. You also made the point about finding coordinators to salvage his tenure......which he did. I'd love for Butch to do the same. I really would.
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It's also the ACC! There is only one other good team in the ACC
 
#90
#90
volfanbill said:
I did, but you can't apply that type of comparison to Dabo.

Dabo took over a team that spent the past however many seasons winning 7,8 or 9 games. His first full season they won 9 and their division, followed by a lackluster 6 win season, that was followed by the 10 win Orange Bowl loss where they won the ACC Championship. Anyone wanting to fire Dabo would be an idiot.
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Either I am terrible at explaining myself or we are all talking about different things.

All I was trying to say was that you can't call winning a Conference title a great year when you suffer a 70-33 loss in your bowl game.

I am not defending Butch Jones, Dabo, Fulmer, or any other coach. I want Tennessee to win and win big. I don't care who the coach is and I am growing tired of the whole "pumper" vs "Nega" thing. :boobies:
 
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#91
If I could like this post a million times I would. Dabo proves that it is important to wait things out. :clap:
 
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#94
not sure sandman if you are just dense or what but here you go! First that season they lost 70-33 was Dabo's third full season at Clemson, he did half the season in 2008 because Tommy Bowden sucked and took a really good team ranked 9th in the first poll of the year to a 3-3 start. This is Dabo's record starting with his first year: 9-5, 6-7, 10-4, 11-2, 11-2, 10-3, 14-1, 14-1 NC. his win % at the school is 76% while Butch in his entire career is sitting at 62.5 and 58.8 at UT. The year Clemson got blown out they went 10-4 winning first conference title in 20 years and went to their first BCS bowl game. We could only be so lucky as to be Clemson right now which really sucks saying because they have a solid foundation and they win and win big! Now if you want to say you dont count a conference title after you get whipped in the bowl game 70-33 then i would agree to disagree on that because UT hasn't sniffed one in 10 years as a matter of fact it will be since 1997 when we last won a conference title, but Dabo won the conference the next year also while going 11-2 and beating LSU in the bowl game.
 
#95
#95
volfannbama said:
I'm confused as to what you disagree with. Do you disagree that under that scenario you would want him fired or that the people saying they wouldn't, would want him fired?
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If you are talking about Tennessee and Florida loses to Lsu, we beat Vandy, manage a win against Bama but get blown out 70-33 in our bowl. Then, yes I would be in favor of a change.
 
#96
#96
Mjx691 said:
If I could like this post a million times I would. Dabo proves that it is important to wait things out. :clap:
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I agree. Although, to be fair to some of our beloved negavols, Clemson didn't have to go through a Mike Hamilton induced meltdown, topped with Lane Kiffin and sprinkled with Derrick Dooley! UT fans have been through it, but we do need to take a page out of Dabo's book and get behind our Vols and try to be patient. Changing our Head Coach every three years isn't the answer. :good!:
 
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#97
#97
Sin City Vol said:
If Butch goes on a run of 4 straight seasons with 10 wins then it will be comparable. Remember, Clemson was in the Orange Bowl....this could have been Tennessee this year but we blew our chance for a major bowl by losing to Vandy and South Carolina....dabo didn't do that and Dabo is a better recruiter than Butch
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Butch has recruited much better in his first 4 years than Dabo did, not sure where you get that? Also, Dabo lost to South Carolina... a lot as a matter of fact (while Spurrier was there), Butch did not.

If we are in the ACC we would win 10 games every year, no problem.

Not saying Butch will be Dabo, but anyone claiming to know one way or the other is a fool.
 
#99
#99
Bigorangefaninga said:
not sure sandman if you are just dense or what but here you go! First that season they lost 70-33 was Dabo's third full season at Clemson, he did half the season in 2008 because Tommy Bowden sucked and took a really good team ranked 9th in the first poll of the year to a 3-3 start. This is Dabo's record starting with his first year: 9-5, 6-7, 10-4, 11-2, 11-2, 10-3, 14-1, 14-1 NC. his win % at the school is 76% while Butch in his entire career is sitting at 62.5 and 58.8 at UT. The year Clemson got blown out they went 10-4 winning first conference title in 20 years and went to their first BCS bowl game. We could only be so lucky as to be Clemson right now which really sucks saying because they have a solid foundation and they win and win big! Now if you want to say you dont count a conference title after you get whipped in the bowl game 70-33 then i would agree to disagree on that because UT hasn't sniffed one in 10 years as a matter of fact it will be since 1997 when we last won a conference title, but Dabo won the conference the next year also while going 11-2 and beating LSU in the bowl game.
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Its always a good sign when you start with an insult:neener2:
Im going to type this real slow so that you will understand me.

You can't say the season is a great because you won the conference title when you got blown out by 37 to an inferior team in the bowl game. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
#100
#100
salutethehill said:
So which one is it? These aren't the same things. They're both stupid, but that first one...man...
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What is stupid is the fact that you can't tell that those are the exact same thing.


conference title= GREAT

Blowout loss in bowl = lackluster

GREAT+ lackluster = slightly above mediocre with a bad vibe going into the off season.
 
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