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DaDuRkEr

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While I love UT more than about anything, we have to have some of the least knowledgable basketball fans in the country. We have 2 extremes... There are a few people saying everything is ok, which it is not. Then there is the other side that reminds me of that time I watched Family Guy re-runs on TBS...

-Cut scene------- Lois runs for mayor

Local resident: "What about our lake?"

*Massive amounts of people in the crowd upset at Lois*

Lois: Nine... Eleven...

*Crowd goes crazy for Lois*

Where are all the level headed fans that understand that the actual facts of the violations that have been revealed to this point are common in every major D-1 program of any relevance. The issue here is the lie, and if we all got ourselves into an HR issue at work and maybe told a joke that was inappropriate and someone who was not intended to hear the joke got offended... We would all probably try to spin it at first as not being that bad. Then, if they pulled out the joke on recording... We'd probably all be willing to take a pay cut and admit our wrongdoings so we can go back to work and let the issue pass right along making for darn sure we didn't make the same mistake again.

This isn't the end of the world, but it isn't a trip to the beach either. It is what it is, and I don't care what you guys choose to do. I, for one, am going to pay attention to the facts and :popcorn: while watching this doomsday parade with a side of Joel Osteen...

Go MF'N VOLS, B
 
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I understood and enjoyed this post.

Some of us have had to admit that Bruce Pearl looks like a pretty awful hypocrite for pretending to be the big NCAA rule follower and not actually doing it.

Some people hate Pearl, hate the Pump brothers, hate Mike Hamilton and enjoy trolling this thread as their primary hobby. They are ready to excited the sky is falling oh noes.
 
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The main problem is with Tennessee as well as every other program is everyone wants to be judge, jury, and executioner ... in other terms ... to many people want to be coaches and couldn't coach their way out of a paper bag.
 
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The actual violations are not that serious. Actually, theyre not that serious at all. The only issue is the fact he openly lied to cover it up. Had he just told them then nothing significant would have happened. The most would probably be what the university has self-imposed already.

Ive never seen a case like this though. trust me, from a Memphis fan, the NCAA does whatever they want when they want to. Predicting the outcome is like predicting the weather 2 weeks in advance.
 
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homefry20 said:
The actual violations are not that serious. Actually, theyre not that serious at all. The only issue is the fact he openly lied to cover it up. Had he just told them then nothing significant would have happened. The most would probably be what the university has self-imposed already.

Ive never seen a case like this though. trust me, from a Memphis fan, the NCAA does whatever they want when they want to. Predicting the outcome is like predicting the weather 2 weeks in advance.
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Huh... thats a novel idea... Openly lying to cover something up... My head is spinning like my demons are being exercised :crazy:
 
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he openly lied because the NCAA already knew he was lying before he managed to attempt it.
 
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I just heard Jimmy say, "there hasn't been a coach survive lying to the ncaa," but he also said we don't really know all the circumstances. He also said he heard that Pearl came to MH the very next day. I'm not sure what has happened, or what is gonna happen, all I know is I WANT BP here FOREVER!!!!
Oh yeah, Just wanna bow to the ADept., cause from what I've gathered, they knew about this stuff weeks, if not months before they came out with the press conf. I'm just suprised it didn't get out before they wanted it to. Things like that getting leaked can cause serious trouble for the parties involved. Go vols, and we should organize a thank you BP somewhere so we all can go and show our support. Maybe Calhouns.
 
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Open lies and open coverups seldom work... My 5 year old is confused by the conception of "openly lying"
 
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lego126 said:
I just heard Jimmy say, "there hasn't been a coach survive lying to the ncaa," but he also said we don't really know all the circumstances. He also said he heard that Pearl came to MH the very next day. I'm not sure what has happened, or what is gonna happen, all I know is I WANT BP here FOREVER!!!!
Oh yeah, Just wanna bow to the ADept., cause from what I've gathered, they knew about this stuff weeks, if not months before they came out with the press conf. I'm just suprised it didn't get out before they wanted it to. Things like that getting leaked can cause serious trouble for the parties involved. Go vols, and we should organize a thank you BP somewhere so we all can go and show our support. Maybe Calhouns.
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Thank you for lying??? Perhaps I misunderstood you, but I don't feel like we need to thank BP for this by any means... I just don't feel like either calling for his head, or a slurp fest are appropriate. What I am going to do is get behind this team and cheer like mad. My MO is still the same. I love my Vols regardless of the situation. Thank BP for getting us where we are on a national landscape if you must, and I will agree with you there. lol

I think this whole thing, barring any further sanctions will give this team an us against the world mentality and couple that with B Will and T Harris's work ethic and this team has a potential that knows no bounds.

Go Vols!!!
 
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Thank you for making us a relevant program, where players like T. Harris is even considering a football university like TN. He made a mistake, and he is paying a heavy toll for those mistakes. What I meant was the ADept. done a good job keeping it quiet until the press conf. And not so much as a thank you to BP as much as "we are with you Bruce".

Isn't it funny how people follow the leader when things are good, and when stuff goes awry, there are very few who are around for support. As a TN fan, and a supporter of the university, we need to support BP like he is one of our family members, and that we support him until the day he cleans his desk out.

EDIT: I never said we should say thank you, I'm saying we need to show our support.
 
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Is Bruce Perl someone that will have the basketball program in trouble periodically? if so i wish he would leave he is not worth that, i would rather have Wade Houston...
 
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homefry20 said:
The actual violations are not that serious. Actually, theyre not that serious at all. The only issue is the fact he openly lied to cover it up. Had he just told them then nothing significant would have happened. The most would probably be what the university has self-imposed already.

Ive never seen a case like this though. trust me, from a Memphis fan, the NCAA does whatever they want when they want to. Predicting the outcome is like predicting the weather 2 weeks in advance.
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If anyone watched OTL today, they pretty much outlined it in layman's terms. Pearl is indeed subject of a serious infraction (recruiting violation). The fact that he initially lied about the situation adds to the negative perception. His penalty so far has been enforced by the university. His contract states that if he is found to be responsible for these types of infractions, the institution will undergo an investigation into the situation in which it must prove that he created a significant violation. Not secondary, not major, but significant. In contract law, this is called be awarded due process. Evidence will have to be provided to produce substantial support that Pearl is guilty of a significant violation. The NCAA will also investigate the case from its infractions committee and give its response. The NCAA investigation will not occur until October/November. His job should be secure for the remainder of the year. I don't think UT will find enough to remove him.

From a personal standpoint, I had the fact he did this. I hate the fact he lied. I think I speak for everyone in agreement that UT is a traditional, passionate, and prideful fanbase. We don't want cheats, we don't want people who take shortcuts. However, I think Pearl is honestly and sincerely sorry and would do a lot in order to mitigate or make-up for his mistakes. He is a passionate guy himself and he cares about not just the program but the university. I think he will stay and make amends.
 
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wags33 said:
Is Bruce Perl someone that will have the basketball program in trouble periodically? if so i wish he would leave he is not worth that, i would rather have Wade Houston...
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I'd have to say you are alone in this my friend.

LynxVol said:
If anyone watched OTL today, they pretty much outlined it in layman's terms. Pearl is indeed subject of a serious infraction (recruiting violation). The fact that he initially lied about the situation adds to the negative perception. His penalty so far has been enforced by the university. His contract states that if he is found to be responsible for these types of infractions, the institution will undergo an investigation into the situation in which it must prove that he created a significant violation. Not secondary, not major, but significant. In contract law, this is called be awarded due process. Evidence will have to be provided to produce substantial support that Pearl is guilty of a significant violation. The NCAA will also investigate the case from its infractions committee and give its response. The NCAA investigation will not occur until October/November. His job should be secure for the remainder of the year. I don't think UT will find enough to remove him.

From a personal standpoint, I had the fact he did this. I hate the fact he lied. I think I speak for everyone in agreement that UT is a traditional, passionate, and prideful fanbase. We don't want cheats, we don't want people who take shortcuts. However, I think Pearl is honestly and sincerely sorry and would do a lot in order to mitigate or make-up for his mistakes. He is a passionate guy himself and he cares about not just the program but the university. I think he will stay and make amends.
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Good Post Lynx.
 
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I hope and think Pearl will survive this, and if he becomes a better person from it let it be. I am more impressed with UT fans who demand their program be run clean and competative regardless of who the coach is.

being a UK fan,to be honest, we have no room to pile on and hope Calipari runs our program better than he has left others. With the success he has had in recruiting, I hope players want to come for the program first coach second and hope it is done open and honestly.

I hope Pearl stays......lets hope for our schools and conference both will run a clean program.
 
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She sure do have a purty mouth... I'm out for the weekend. I plan on being horse, happy, and harassing some gator fans about this time tomorrow in E, row 21. Have a good weekend and Go Vols!!!
 
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who all in the media are piling it on Pearl? some of the reporters are the sleazeballs. What Pearl did was wrong...the lying, but anyone would be stupid to think he is the only coach to go above the rules to recruit.
 
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LynxVol said:
I think I speak for everyone in agreement that UT is a traditional, passionate, and prideful fanbase. We don't want cheats, we don't want people who take shortcuts.
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Based on what I've seen in these threads, it appears to me that the UT fanbase doesn't care at all if ITS OWN coach cheats. It only cares when other team's coaches cheat. The bigger issue, though, is that the UT fanbase also doesn't seem to mind its coach lying to the NCAA to cover-up his violations.


LynxVol said:
However, I think Pearl is honestly and sincerely sorry and would do a lot in order to mitigate or make-up for his mistakes.
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I think that Pearl is honestly and sincerely sorry that he got caught. If he were honestly and sincerely sorry that he committed the NCAA infractions, then he wouldn't have lied to try to cover them up.
 
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DaDuRkEr said:
She sure do have a purty mouth... I'm out for the weekend. I plan on being horse, happy, and harassing some gator fans about this time tomorrow in E, row 21. Have a good weekend and Go Vols!!!
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Good luck against Florida.....heading out to watch my son in a high school game tonight,:salute:
 
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Vol423 said:
Based on what I've seen in these threads, it appears to me that the UT fanbase doesn't care at all if ITS OWN coach cheats. It only cares when other team's coaches cheat. The bigger issue, though, is that the UT fanbase also doesn't seem to mind its coach lying to the NCAA to cover-up his violations.




I think that Pearl is honestly and sincerely sorry that he got caught. If he were honestly and sincerely sorry that he committed the NCAA infractions, then he wouldn't have lied to try to cover them up.
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Someone que the negavols?

If you're listening to UT console lying and cheating, then I must be missing them, only ones I know are fijivol and SGM.
 
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Vol423 said:
Based on what I've seen in these threads, it appears to me that the UT fanbase doesn't care at all if ITS OWN coach cheats. It only cares when other team's coaches cheat. The bigger issue, though, is that the UT fanbase also doesn't seem to mind its coach lying to the NCAA to cover-up his violations.




I think that Pearl is honestly and sincerely sorry that he got caught. If he were honestly and sincerely sorry that he committed the NCAA infractions, then he wouldn't have lied to try to cover them up.
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That is half the reason I even started this thread. Half want to act like its no big deal and the other half think Pearl should be branded as tainted and be locked away in college basketball's dungeon beside Sampson. It IS a big deal, but its not paying players big nor is it something that virtually every major program avoids doing. This IS commonplace in college ball. This IS NOT something we as fans should be proud of. This is something we should let play out and see what comes out before passing judgement IMO. If what we know is the entirity of the situation, the punishment fits the crime. If more comes out, then we will have a better understanding to base our opinions.

In short, I just would like to say that I am not about telling other fans how to act, think, or show their fanhood. I know where my fanhood lies and I know how strong my allegiance to this school and its athletic endeavors is. If you agree with me great, nice to be on the same page. If you do not agree, that is fine with me as well as we are all entitled to our own opinions and that is one of the many things that make our country the best place on earth to call home. Sometimes it feels like when adversity hits our program, instead of binding together to support our team and players, some of us are just too selfish to think about who gets affected the most in these times and rally behind the kids that give so much to our fanbase and dedicate more time than anyone to bring us wins and a competitive spirit.

I hope come November-April all of us are ready to take on the same attitude as our team. If you think that hearing about the Jan 1st incident before and at the half of every game from there on was rough... That won't hold a candle to this my friends. We should attempt to come together as a fan base because once the ball goes up for that first tip-off it really will be us against the world of college basketball and we should be united.

Go Vols!!!
 
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