It's not that hard to recruit for TN.

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Everyone praises CBJ on his recruiting. I give him an A on efforts, but you can't deny that it's pretty easy when you have better resources.

And Yes, I know players leave, go, become busts, etc...so you can't rely on this numbers.

My point is that we should be more concerned about how we perform than be all excited about top classes. They never seem to pan out for us anyways.

This is based on 247 recruiting class rankings. I threw in Cincy the year before CBJ was there and the Baylor team.


2009 (Kiffin)

TN - #9
Cincy - #56
Baylor - #52

2010 (Dooley)

TN - #10
Cincy - #54
Baylor - #39

2011 (Dooley)

TN - #14
Cincy - #47
Baylor - #46

2012 (Dooley)

TN - #20
Cincy - #51
Baylor - #26

2013 (CBJ)

TN - #24
Cincy - #63
Baylor - #27

2014

TN - #7
Cincy # 64
Baylor - #26
 
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Are you joking?

Recruiting this well at a University that has been awful for almost a decade is not easy to do. Especially not in this conference.

Get real kid.
 
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Dougie_D said:
Everyone praises CBJ on his recruiting. I give him an A on efforts, but you can't deny that it's pretty easy when you have better resources.

And Yes, I know players leave, go, become busts, etc...so you can't rely on this numbers.

My point is that we should be more concerned about how we perform than be all excited about top classes. They never seem to pan out for us anyways.

This is based on 247 recruiting class rankings. I threw in Cincy the year before CBJ was there and the Baylor team.


2009 (Kiffin)

TN - #9
Cincy - #56
Baylor - #52

2010 (Dooley)

TN - #10
Cincy - #54
Baylor - #39

2011 (Dooley)

TN - #14
Cincy - #47
Baylor - #46

2012 (Dooley)

TN - #20
Cincy - #51
Baylor - #26

2013 (CBJ)

TN - #24
Cincy - #63
Baylor - #27

2014

TN - #7
Cincy # 64
Baylor - #26
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If its not that hard. Then tell me why Dooley didn't have any O-linemen. He left a mess for Butch and his coaches to clean up. And they are doing it.
 
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So we've gone from saying that there's no way Butch can recruit well enough to now saying that Tennessee recruits itself and Butch doesn't get credit. Some of you are pathetic.
 
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Dougie_D said:
Everyone praises CBJ on his recruiting. I give him an A on efforts, but you can't deny that it's pretty easy when you have better resources.

And Yes, I know players leave, go, become busts, etc...so you can't rely on this numbers.

My point is that we should be more concerned about how we perform than be all excited about top classes. They never seem to pan out for us anyways.

This is based on 247 recruiting class rankings. I threw in Cincy the year before CBJ was there and the Baylor team.


2009 (Kiffin)

TN - #9
Cincy - #56
Baylor - #52

2010 (Dooley)

TN - #10
Cincy - #54
Baylor - #39

2011 (Dooley)

TN - #14
Cincy - #47
Baylor - #46

2012 (Dooley)

TN - #20
Cincy - #51
Baylor - #26

2013 (CBJ)

TN - #24
Cincy - #63
Baylor - #27

2014

TN - #7
Cincy # 64
Baylor - #26
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I believe you have created a false dichotomy.

It is irrelevant how three unrelated teams do in recruiting, and extremely relevant how related teams recruit in comparison to each other.

While UT does have some recruiting advantages in relation to many other of the 120+ FBS schools, to understand a large part of UT's struggles of late, one must understand our disadvantages to our key opponents.

Here is a chart of recruiting averages over the past decade showing UT's trends against our major competition. Notice anything?

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You are saying it isn't difficult to recruit to UT. I see a long slow descent, bottoming in 2009, and a long slow rise to where we are now. There is still a long way to go to catch up to our prime competition. This is important as we compete for many players from the same pool of recruits. For some perspective, it will take another top 5 class of recruits until our roster has returned to the talent levels we had in 2005.


EDIT: To be clear, I am certain Butch is doing a helluva job and he and staff are working tirelessly to get us back to where we need to be in the talent department. I doubt that anything about what they are doing is easy...
 
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Is this thread serious? I agree its not hard to recruit top 30 classes here, but top 5 is a different level. What a joke of a thread. Shameful. I hope the coaches who are pretty much recruiting around the clock don't read this crap.
 
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So, is the OP stating that it is easier to recruit players to come to Tennessee than it is to Baylor or Cincinnati?

How profound.
 
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daj2576 said:
I believe you have created a false dichotomy.

It is irrelevant how three unrelated teams do in recruiting, and extremely relevant how related teams recruit in comparison to each other.

While UT does have some recruiting advantages in relation to many other of the 120+ FBS schools, to understand a large part of UT's struggles of late, one must understand our disadvantages to our key opponents.

Here is a chart of recruiting averages over the past decade showing UT's trends against our major competition. Notice anything?

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You are saying it isn't difficult to recruit to UT. I see a long slow decent, bottoming in 2009 and a long slow rise to where we are now with a long way to go to catch up to our prime competition. This is important as we compete for many players from the same pool of recruits.
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Marshall Erickson?
 
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I'm basically saying that recruiting rankings don't or shouldn't matter and people shouldn't base expectations off recruiting.

I never said that CBJ isn't doing a great job in recruiting efforts.
 
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Dougie_D said:
Everyone praises CBJ on his recruiting. I give him an A on efforts, but you can't deny that it's pretty easy when you have better resources.

And Yes, I know players leave, go, become busts, etc...so you can't rely on this numbers.

My point is that we should be more concerned about how we perform than be all excited about top classes. They never seem to pan out for us anyways.

This is based on 247 recruiting class rankings. I threw in Cincy the year before CBJ was there and the Baylor team.


2009 (Kiffin)

TN - #9
Cincy - #56
Baylor - #52

2010 (Dooley)

TN - #10
Cincy - #54
Baylor - #39

2011 (Dooley)

TN - #14
Cincy - #47
Baylor - #46

2012 (Dooley)

TN - #20
Cincy - #51
Baylor - #26

2013 (CBJ)

TN - #24
Cincy - #63
Baylor - #27

2014

TN - #7
Cincy # 64
Baylor - #26
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I understNd what you were trying to say. But recruiting is never easy. If it were we could hire a coach for 40K.
 
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Dougie_D said:
Everyone praises CBJ on his recruiting. I give him an A on efforts, but you can't deny that it's pretty easy when you have better resources.
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Dougie_D said:
I'm basically saying that recruiting rankings don't or shouldn't matter and people shouldn't base expectations off recruiting.

I never said that CBJ isn't doing a great job in recruiting efforts.
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You specifically said "it's not that hard."

It's in the thread title.
 
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Dougie_D said:
Everyone praises CBJ on his recruiting. I give him an A on efforts, but you can't deny that it's pretty easy when you have better resources.

And Yes, I know players leave, go, become busts, etc...so you can't rely on this numbers.

My point is that we should be more concerned about how we perform than be all excited about top classes. They never seem to pan out for us anyways.

This is based on 247 recruiting class rankings. I threw in Cincy the year before CBJ was there and the Baylor team.


2009 (Kiffin)

TN - #9
Cincy - #56
Baylor - #52

2010 (Dooley)

TN - #10
Cincy - #54
Baylor - #39

2011 (Dooley)

TN - #14
Cincy - #47
Baylor - #46

2012 (Dooley)

TN - #20
Cincy - #51
Baylor - #26

2013 (CBJ)

TN - #24
Cincy - #63
Baylor - #27

2014

TN - #7
Cincy # 64
Baylor - #26
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HEY... You have the same initials as our previous coach. Is that you Derek?
 
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daj2576 said:
I believe you have created a false dichotomy.

It is irrelevant how three unrelated teams do in recruiting, and extremely relevant how related teams recruit in comparison to each other.

While UT does have some recruiting advantages in relation to many other of the 120+ FBS schools, to understand a large part of UT's struggles of late, one must understand our disadvantages to our key opponents.

Here is a chart of recruiting averages over the past decade showing UT's trends against our major competition. Notice anything?

View attachment 84802

View attachment 84803

You are saying it isn't difficult to recruit to UT. I see a long slow decent, bottoming in 2009 and a long slow rise to where we are now with a long way to go to catch up to our prime competition. This is important as we compete for many players from the same pool of recruits.
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Great info you have put out. For those who do not understand recruiting, as long as they can read and are not colorblind they surely can understand thsee charts. Baylor is playing in the weak Southwest Conference oh excuse me Big XII that can not count and Cincy in whatever conference they choose this week. Look what happened to them when they played tOSU. You are correct our recruiting is important relative to whom we play and how they recruit. Recruiting to the Hill is never going to be "EASY" like it is not easy anywhere. Every school bama, fsu, miami, "easy" scools to recruit too will suffer in recruiting and on the field with the wrong coach.

By the way Mike Shula, Mike Dubose and Coker are a few old coaches that want to say hi to all those who think recruiting is easy!
 
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Dougie_D said:
Everyone praises CBJ on his recruiting. I give him an A on efforts, but you can't deny that it's pretty easy when you have better resources.

And Yes, I know players leave, go, become busts, etc...so you can't rely on this numbers.

My point is that we should be more concerned about how we perform than be all excited about top classes. They never seem to pan out for us anyways.

This is based on 247 recruiting class rankings. I threw in Cincy the year before CBJ was there and the Baylor team.


2009 (Kiffin)

TN - #9
Cincy - #56
Baylor - #52

2010 (Dooley)

TN - #10
Cincy - #54
Baylor - #39

2011 (Dooley)

TN - #14
Cincy - #47
Baylor - #46

2012 (Dooley)

TN - #20
Cincy - #51
Baylor - #26

2013 (CBJ)

TN - #24
Cincy - #63
Baylor - #27

2014

TN - #7
Cincy # 64
Baylor - #26
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Oh yeah OP... super easy!

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You wouldn't believe it, I thought I was farting today and POOF - out came a 5 star recruit. I mean, hell these guys are just raining from the sky.

If you don't believe that the 2014 and 2015 recruiting classes are in an entirely different league than every other class we've had the past 15 years, you need to go spend some time asking questions in the recruiting forum.
 
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