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#229
Vercingetorix said:
Thank you. Must be that UTK education.



I entered school as an 18-year-old who wasn't sure what he wanted to do with the rest of his life. I'd been accepted at couple of extremely prestigious schools, academically speaking, but the aid packages were such that I was still going to have to accumulate a ton of debt. Meanwhile my hometown school was offering me a scholarship package that basically paid me to go to school there. I was uncertain enough about what I wanted to do to that I thought it would be silly to rack up massive amounts of debt just to go to a school with a name, rather than to study something in particular. So I decided to stay home, take the money, and go to UTK while I figured out what the hell I wanted to do with my life.

I did not overly obsess about the rankings in the books, in other words. Otherwise I would have just said screw it, give me the debt; I'm going to MIT even though I don't really know what I want to study.
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AT least we can agree on this. I do think a bigger school such as UTK is a great choice for any young person who is unsure of their major at the time they are entering college. Your choice for UTK is similar to my choice of TTU over GA Tech (in state was basically free versus out of state was not). This in addition to not wanting to be too far from home made my final decision between the two. The irony ended with my coop year being in GA near the FL line which was much further than GA Tech.
 
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#230
hatvol96 said:
Don't be ripping the Foreman. It is a useful, useful tool on occasion.
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Like. . . .igniting the Knoxville News Sentinel?

If I was the guy that invented the "grill," I'd sue Foreman for whatever his punch-drunk mind is worth for degrading my product's name.
 
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#231
utmba93 said:
Do you notice a contradiction in your post?
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No. It states that it was a non-local source that ranked the schools, and this ranking from the non-local source was reported on local news. IE. Wall Street Journal breaks a story, and a local news station in Knoxville runs a story reporting on the wall Street Journals' story.
 
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#232
Vercingetorix said:
Thank you. Must be that UTK education.



I entered school as an 18-year-old who wasn't sure what he wanted to do with the rest of his life. I'd been accepted at couple of extremely prestigious schools, academically speaking, but the aid packages were such that I was still going to have to accumulate a ton of debt. Meanwhile my hometown school was offering me a scholarship package that basically paid me to go to school there. I was uncertain enough about what I wanted to do to that I thought it would be silly to rack up massive amounts of debt just to go to a school with a name, rather than to study something in particular. So I decided to stay home, take the money, and go to UTK while I figured out what the hell I wanted to do with my life.

I did not overly obsess about the rankings in the books, in other words. Otherwise I would have just said screw it, give me the debt; I'm going to MIT even though I don't really know what I want to study.
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Every night, I lie down to sleep in what I consider a very nice condominium in Downtown Knoxville that I paid for with roughly the same amount of money I would have owed Duke, Stanford, or Princeton had I taken them up on their offers to let me pay them for my education. I have not a single regret. One of the smartest classmates I had in law school had a transcript that read this way: Roane State CC, Hiwasse College, East Tennessee State University. I'm pretty sure US News & World Reports doesn't fall all over themselves praising any of those institutions. On the other hand, the densest SOB in our law class had a degree in Divinity(or some other religious hooey) from Harvard and an MBA from Duke.
 
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#233
A good friend of mine that owns the local Little Caesars Pizza franchise once told me, when we were discussing the merits of college education and where you obtain one, "I got a degree from Boston College and I'm making pizzas for a living".. He's a great guy.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Every night, I lie down to sleep in what I consider a very nice condominium in Downtown Knoxville that I paid for with roughly the same amount of money I would have owed Duke, Stanford, or Princeton had I taken them up on their offers to let me pay them for my education. I have not a single regret. One of the smartest classmates I had in law school had a transcript that read this way: Roane State CC, Hiwasse College, East Tennessee State University. I'm pretty sure US News & World Reports doesn't fall all over themselves praising any of those institutions. On the other hand, the densest SOB in our law class had a degree in Divinity(or some other religious hooey) from Harvard and an MBA from Duke.
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Good post, Hat!

Don't blame Harvard, Dook can have that effect on a lot of people!
 
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hatvol96 said:
I have found Duke grads, in general, to be smart, well rounded folks. That guy, on the other hand, was a 100% Grade A fool.
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Most of the Duke grads I've met have been bright as well. I just like to rib them a bit when given the opportunity.
 
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#237
hatvol96 said:
Don't be ripping the Foreman. It is a useful, useful tool on occasion.
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:salute: Indeed. Make a grilled cheese or any simple sandwich with lots of cheese and slap it on there. Just smush it a little and you're good to go. I think those Italians call it a panini
 
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hatvol96 said:
On the other hand, the densest SOB in our law class had a degree in Divinity(or some other religious hooey) from Harvard and an MBA from Duke.
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I spent seven years in grad school at Duke, and I only met a small handful of fellow grad students who I would classify as complete idiots. Oddly enough, they were all in the MBA program except the one med student I taught in anatomy who repeatedly got the arm and leg mixed up.
 
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#239
It's great to see this topic getting some attention on here. My mom has a degree from UT in speech pathology. It's a great program whose graduates are in high demand. Why it was chosen to be cut is beyond me.
 
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NeanderVol said:
It's great to see this topic getting some attention on here. My mom has a degree from UT in speech pathology. It's a great program whose graduates are in high demand. Why it was chosen to be cut is beyond me.
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That decision, rightly reversed, was in line with any of a number of unconscionable decisions the twits in charge of UT have made of late.
 
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#241
I agree with your post concerning graduation rate as a priority. In this day and time, a student had better think through and possibly study harder and take something in a field that is in demand.The just having a degree concept doesn't apply anymore.Medical doctors,attorneys,RNs,computer degrees (especially program,info tech)engineers,etc,teachers especially masters level), and I'm sure there are several I left out but the field is shrinking. My wife's company,located in about 25 states, corporate hq in Conn.,is leaving Tennessee yet since she is an RN so she can work from home now for the Phoenix office as a care manager.Thats just an example how the economy is going.Get a degree that you can use and is not a liability to a company, which in turn means in a lot of cases being licensed.
 
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#242
NeanderVol said:
I spent seven years in grad school at Duke, and I only met a small handful of fellow grad students who I would classify as complete idiots. Oddly enough, they were all in the MBA program except the one med student I taught in anatomy who repeatedly got the arm and leg mixed up.
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Too bad the med student couldn't switch over to the MBA program. It seems it would have been better for society to have him/her confused about debits and credits than about arms and legs.

Are you an anthropologist?
 
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hatvol96 said:
On the other hand, the densest SOB in our law class had a degree in Divinity(or some other religious hooey) from Harvard and an MBA from Duke.
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The Harvard Divinity route is a different animal altogether, especially at the graduate level. Duke has only improved its MBA program appreciably over the past 10 years. Prior to that, it was a Vandy style program.

Guess I'm saying I can see some sort of AM (admission mistake via legacy or something) defaulting to Divinity and then using the H rep to get into a middlin' MBA program. It's sad and only hurts the rep, but I can think of about 100 people that had no business in grad school.
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VolinDawgland said:
This sad story has nothing to do with football. Universities could stop wasting tons of money if they would wind down all of the liberal arts garbage that's found it's way into the system over the past 30 years. Shut down all fill in the blank 'Studies' nonsense. That would save building costs and tons of useless tenured teaching salaries and would also quit wasting student's time who nievely take this junk. Any liberal arts teacher teaching political propaganda instead of real literature or real history should be fired.
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Don't go and start making sense...
 
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#247
NeanderVol said:
It's great to see this topic getting some attention on here. My mom has a degree from UT in speech pathology. It's a great program whose graduates are in high demand. Why it was chosen to be cut is beyond me.
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Because to Ol' Petey and his boys and girls, a program only has worth if it has enough kids in it to make money. A program with 100 students x 6 grand is WAY more important than one with 25 folks x 6 grand. I mean, it's $450,000 more important! :ermm:

If they can pack 100 kids into a lecture with one Dr. and a ton of grad assistants, rather than a specialized program requiring more faculty, they'll do it in a heart beat. Not that you can't learn from large lecture, but there's something lost when you can't go one-on-one with a professor that has 20-30 students studying under them. A lot can be said for small-group instruction. Unfortunately, it all can't be that way. The admin would rather it all be the opposite, though.

This is where we're gonna lose specialized instruction. Why have History of Brazil, Portugal, Spain, Italy, etc when you can pack it in to one big class lecture on colonial powers in the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries?

I think with the loss of Crabtree, the university lost a lot of the purpose of education. It's not measured in dollars and cents. It's a part of it, as you have to keep the lights on, but there's certainly more to it.
 
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#248
VolinDawgland said:
This sad story has nothing to do with football. Universities could stop wasting tons of money if they would wind down all of the liberal arts garbage that's found it's way into the system over the past 30 years. Shut down all fill in the blank 'Studies' nonsense. That would save building costs and tons of useless tenured teaching salaries and would also quit wasting student's time who nievely take this junk. Any liberal arts teacher teaching political propaganda instead of real literature or real history should be fired.
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Propaganda can't teach anything? Hm...I'd better stop using it in my classroom. Guess we ought to let all these professional educators creating curriculum standards that propaganda is useless. Certainly it can't teach history, politics, culture, identity, and foreign relations. Hm...how was I so misled thinking you can only learn from straight lecture on rote memory items!
 
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#249
jwells said:
Because to Ol' Petey and his boys and girls, a program only has worth if it has enough kids in it to make money. A program with 100 students x 6 grand is WAY more important than one with 25 folks x 6 grand. I mean, it's $450,000 more important! :ermm:

If they can pack 100 kids into a lecture with one Dr. and a ton of grad assistants, rather than a specialized program requiring more faculty, they'll do it in a heart beat. Not that you can't learn from large lecture, but there's something lost when you can't go one-on-one with a professor that has 20-30 students studying under them. A lot can be said for small-group instruction. Unfortunately, it all can't be that way. The admin would rather it all be the opposite, though.

This is where we're gonna lose specialized instruction. Why have History of Brazil, Portugal, Spain, Italy, etc when you can pack it in to one big class lecture on colonial powers in the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries?

I think with the loss of Crabtree, the university lost a lot of the purpose of education. It's not measured in dollars and cents. It's a part of it, as you have to keep the lights on, but there's certainly more to it.
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You're preaching to the choir. I'm a professor and have seen far too often the negative impacts of running a university like a business. The quality of an education cannot be measured in terms of the bottom line.
 
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jwells said:
Propaganda can't teach anything? Hm...I'd better stop using it in my classroom. Guess we ought to let all these professional educators creating curriculum standards that propaganda is useless. Certainly it can't teach history, politics, culture, identity, and foreign relations. Hm...how was I so misled thinking you can only learn from straight lecture on rote memory items!
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What? You think universities shouldn't be glorified ITTs that produce a bunch of mindless automotons who can't think for themselves? That's just silly.
 
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