It's always the QB

#26
#26
VolGirl05 said:
In fairness to the D, up until JG's complete meltdown in the 2nd half against UGA they had not been the issue. I don't think we've seen the same effort from them since he was marched back out there over and over again after that. And it's just difficult to say what any defense could truly do when not balanced with even a decent offense; I think they threw in the towel a while ago.
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That and the time of possession, plays per game, third down conversion, and 3 and out disadvantages... to name a few.

IMO, the locker room is split. It may be open or it may be the kind of "passive" attitude you suggest. Either way I suspect that many players do not believe in JG and do not believe in Pruitt because of JG.
 
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#27
#27
MWAVolfan said:
Sure, play making QBs help obviously but are not the key to victory.

Bama never had a "playmaker" at QB until Hurts and they won just fine before that. On the flip side Tennessee had a playmaking QB in Dobbs and they didn't win sh!t but the garbage bowl.
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The Bama teams pre-Hurts would not compete well now. Great D no longer stops great O. Saban said something to that effect just the other day.

Not sure what you mean by "key" but they are now prerequisite. Other things can keep you from being a championship caliber team... but you cannot be one without MUCH better QB play than UT has had since Dobbs.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
I don't think this is an issue of him admitting it. I think its clear to everyone including him.

The issue is what, if anything, is being done to make sure that JG isn't the "best chance we have to be successful".

After seeing every QB on our roster, I fully believe Pruitt when he says JG is unfortunately the best we have. HB just hasnt had enough time on campus yet or in practice apparently.

The question is why. Why isnt there a better option than JG? Why cant they develop Shrout or Maurer or HB quick enough to make a difference?
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Bailey is obviously better than JG right now. The Auburn game made that abundantly clear. He can run the offense and not throw insane pick 6's.
 
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pianoko said:
It's almost impossible to win big without a really high quality QB.

Last 10 college national championship QB's and eventual heisman result:
19 LSU - Joe Burrow (winner)
18 Clemson - Trevor Lawrence (none but arguably too young and obviously VERY good)
17 Alabama - Tua Tagovailoa (runner up)
16 Clemson - Deshaun Watson (runner up)
15 Alabama - Tua/Hurts (both runner up)
14 Ohio State - JT Barrett (exception, but 2nd place team was Oregon with Marcus Mariota, who won)
13 Florida State - Jameis Winston (winner)
12 Alabama - AJ McCarron (runner up)
11 Alabama - AJ McCarron (runner up)
10 Auburn - Cam Newton (winner)

NFL super bowl winners:
2010 Aaron Rodgers
2011 Eli Manning
2012 Joe Flacco
2013 Russell Wilson
2014 Tom Brady
2015 Peyton Manning
2016 Tom Brady
2017 Nick Foles
2018 Tom Brady
2019 Patrick Mahomes

There are a few exceptions, maybe JT Barrett and Nick Foles (as a Bears fan, this makes me want to puke). For the most part, having a REALLY good quarterback is almost a necessity to have success. I think we could easily argue that Dobbs made Jones look much better than he was, and JG is making our program look much worse than it could. Yes, ultimately it is Pruitt's job to get the right people in the game, but it's difficult for me to want to endure the whole process over again IFF poor QB play is a really big part of our problem. We can certainly point to other issues, like lack of player of development, but I think there is a lot of snowball effect when your offense is just useless.
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I don't believe they are the exception at all.

If you look at their stats, JT Barrett had 3700 total yards and 45 total TD's in 2014 to get them in position before Cardale Jones had to take over.

Nick Foles in the playoffs, had over 971 yards (including 370 in the SB), 6TD's, and only 1 INT and didn't complete less than 65% of his passes.

Of the last 20 SB winners, you could probably count on one hand how many just managed the SB (Peyton being one of them in the 15 season) with the sole intention of avoiding catastrophic mistakes.
 
#32
#32
pianoko said:
It's almost impossible to win big without a really high quality QB.

Last 10 college national championship QB's and eventual heisman result:
19 LSU - Joe Burrow (winner)
18 Clemson - Trevor Lawrence (none but arguably too young and obviously VERY good)
17 Alabama - Tua Tagovailoa (runner up)
16 Clemson - Deshaun Watson (runner up)
15 Alabama - Tua/Hurts (both runner up)
14 Ohio State - JT Barrett (exception, but 2nd place team was Oregon with Marcus Mariota, who won)
13 Florida State - Jameis Winston (winner)
12 Alabama - AJ McCarron (runner up)
11 Alabama - AJ McCarron (runner up)
10 Auburn - Cam Newton (winner)

NFL super bowl winners:
2010 Aaron Rodgers
2011 Eli Manning
2012 Joe Flacco
2013 Russell Wilson
2014 Tom Brady
2015 Peyton Manning
2016 Tom Brady
2017 Nick Foles
2018 Tom Brady
2019 Patrick Mahomes

There are a few exceptions, maybe JT Barrett and Nick Foles (as a Bears fan, this makes me want to puke). For the most part, having a REALLY good quarterback is almost a necessity to have success. I think we could easily argue that Dobbs made Jones look much better than he was, and JG is making our program look much worse than it could. Yes, ultimately it is Pruitt's job to get the right people in the game, but it's difficult for me to want to endure the whole process over again IFF poor QB play is a really big part of our problem. We can certainly point to other issues, like lack of player of development, but I think there is a lot of snowball effect when your offense is just useless.
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Tee Martin? I can name a half dozen or more UT QBs who were better
 
#34
#34
MWAVolfan said:
Sure, play making QBs help obviously but are not the key to victory.

Bama never had a "playmaker" at QB until Hurts and they won just fine before that. On the flip side Tennessee had a playmaking QB in Dobbs and they didn't win sh!t but the garbage bowl.
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But Saban changed with the times, realizing it would take a good qb in todays college football. He realized he could no longer win with a game manager qb.
 
#35
#35
cgrish said:
But Saban changed with the times, realizing it would take a good qb in todays college football. He realized he could no longer win with a game manager qb.
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Don't think anybody ever really strives to have a "game manager". That's just the term we use when a QB isn't dynamic but has a good supporting cast and manages to get the job done.
 
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I saw that Bama has something like 19 5 stars on their current roster. Roughly 25% of their scholarship players.
That says it all.
 
#39
#39
VolGirl05 said:
In fairness to the D, up until JG's complete meltdown in the 2nd half against UGA they had not been the issue. I don't think we've seen the same effort from them since he was marched back out there over and over again after that. And it's just difficult to say what any defense could truly do when not balanced with even a decent offense; I think they threw in the towel a while ago.
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It has to be hard on the defense to know that your offense is only going to convert on third down about 3 out of every 10 attempts.
 
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pianoko said:
It's almost impossible to win big without a really high quality QB.

Last 10 college national championship QB's and eventual heisman result:
19 LSU - Joe Burrow (winner)
18 Clemson - Trevor Lawrence (none but arguably too young and obviously VERY good)
17 Alabama - Tua Tagovailoa (runner up)
16 Clemson - Deshaun Watson (runner up)
15 Alabama - Tua/Hurts (both runner up)
14 Ohio State - JT Barrett (exception, but 2nd place team was Oregon with Marcus Mariota, who won)
13 Florida State - Jameis Winston (winner)
12 Alabama - AJ McCarron (runner up)
11 Alabama - AJ McCarron (runner up)
10 Auburn - Cam Newton (winner)

NFL super bowl winners:
2010 Aaron Rodgers
2011 Eli Manning
2012 Joe Flacco
2013 Russell Wilson
2014 Tom Brady
2015 Peyton Manning
2016 Tom Brady
2017 Nick Foles
2018 Tom Brady
2019 Patrick Mahomes

There are a few exceptions, maybe JT Barrett and Nick Foles (as a Bears fan, this makes me want to puke). For the most part, having a REALLY good quarterback is almost a necessity to have success. I think we could easily argue that Dobbs made Jones look much better than he was, and JG is making our program look much worse than it could. Yes, ultimately it is Pruitt's job to get the right people in the game, but it's difficult for me to want to endure the whole process over again IFF poor QB play is a really big part of our problem. We can certainly point to other issues, like lack of player of development, but I think there is a lot of snowball effect when your offense is just useless.
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Win Big???
Most of us would of been happy the last 2 years winning little. Beating bad and average teams with bad or average QB’s too.
We can’t do that consistently.
So our problem obviously goes beyond lack of a great QB
 
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#41
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rikberry31 said:
CJP knows there is a problem and has said so to those who have cause to know. But he is not going to go out to the media or post on Volnation that our quarterback sucks.
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He is also not going to put a vastly more talented one in and let him get experience, while probably winning some games while he’s at it
 
#45
#45
sjt18 said:
It is fair to say that you cannot win against top tier competition without a very good QB play. UT has not had that over the last 4 years. But Dobbs proved it isn't always enough. This team has both bad QB play and other missing components. Even with a very good QB... this is probably a 2 or 3 loss team. I would not have said that at the start of the season but the D hasn't been even close to what many of us expected.
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Dobbs was a good QB, NOT an elite QB !! I would NOT put Dobbs in the class of the ones from the OP.
 
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#47
#47
Coug said:
Go back and watch the Georgia and Kentucky games again. The biggest, devastating, game ending mistakes were made by our QB.
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Correct. Our defense made a heroic goal line stand just before the half of the UDGA game allowing UT to take a lead into the locker room. Our defense was shell shocked from the bad offensive play when UK at home had us down 17 points in the first quarter. Our defem]nse was playing well nough to win against both Arkansas and Auburn in the first half. And then azlong came JG and his impotent UT offense.
 
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#50
sjt18 said:
It is fair to say that you cannot win against top tier competition without a very good QB play. UT has not had that over the last 4 years. But Dobbs proved it isn't always enough. This team has both bad QB play and other missing components. Even with a very good QB... this is probably a 2 or 3 loss team. I would not have said that at the start of the season but the D hasn't been even close to what many of us expected.
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Agree, but I thought Pruitt and DA were defensive gurus? That should be a strength every year, right? He's also reportedly a great talent evaluator and uses the same system of evaluation that bama uses. So where are HIS recruited players? Expected to see a lot more of the reportedly more talented younger players on the roster.
 
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