It Wasn't Coaching

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VolArmy74 said:
They are proven winners. Pruitt is not. That's the rub. We hired a guy who has shown nothing to suggest he's head coach material. We did it at a time when we desperately needed some kind of stability and a proven commodity. We actually had that accepting the job and turned him away for the unknown.
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Yep. I do not understand the vitriol for Schiano. Is he Don Shula? No, but he had some good seasons at dreadful Rutgers and instead we hire a coach with zero head coaching experience and claim greatness through Saban. His coaching tree sucks unless you want to believe Jimbo Fisher learned how to be great under a defensive minded coach.
 
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smashmouth105 said:
Watching the Jeremy Pruitt show, I realized it wasn't the coaches. It's all in the players. Lots of these players are just losers in heart. You can't take a hard-nose coach, experienced coordinators, and qualified staff and put them in charge of losers at heart and expect wins. Anyone see what Scott Frost and Chip Kelly are doing at their programs? How TERRIBLE they are? They couldn't even beat Cincinnati or Colorado!
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Truly condecending attitude toward the young men representing Tennessee, comments like yours is a recruiting killer.
 
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smashmouth105 said:
Watching the Jeremy Pruitt show, I realized it wasn't the coaches. It's all in the players. Lots of these players are just losers in heart. You can't take a hard-nose coach, experienced coordinators, and qualified staff and put them in charge of losers at heart and expect wins. Anyone see what Scott Frost and Chip Kelly are doing at their programs? How TERRIBLE they are? They couldn't even beat Cincinnati or Colorado!
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Very True!
 
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cwbytruckers said:
The blind side on JG could happen to anyone. The dive into the endzone could have happen to anyone. The two INTs were poorly thrown balls. The kickoff return was trying to gain extra yards from an inexperienced returner. I forget the sixth TO. But coaches cant make infield decisions. Why fans believe this is ridiculous.
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I'm holding off judgement on Pruitt until next year. Switching schemes on both sides of the ball isn't something that transitions overnight. I'm giving the man time to prove himself one way or the other.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Yep. I do not understand the vitriol for Schiano. Is he Don Shula? No, but he had some good seasons at dreadful Rutgers and instead we hire a coach with zero head coaching experience and claim greatness through Saban. His coaching tree sucks unless you want to believe Jimbo Fisher learned how to be great under a defensive minded coach.
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well...1) Schiano doesn't know jack about the SEC and 2) .... nevermind
 
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tbones0711 said:
Leach would not have fared any better bringing in the air raid here. We lack a fast QB who can get to the edge and plant his feet. Passing from the pocket isn't gonna work either. Our receivers still can't get separation and they are easily covered. We suck on offense because of an undeveloped line and a GOOD QB who can make the correct reads or buy himself time to let receivers break off routes and get more open. We simply don't have good personell period.
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Leach also plays in the soft Big 12 where defenses give up 38+ points a game. Butch's air raid didn't work, Missouri's air raid only works so well, and Leach's wouldn't work here either
 
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smashmouth105 said:
CJP has won championships. Our D coordinator coached Roquan Smith and company at Georgia last year. Helton coached Darnold. What more experience do you need to see?
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He was an assistant to head coaches who've won championships both with and without CJP. When has CJP won anything without having top tier talent? When has CJP rebuilt a program? Answer to both is never. Maybe he can pull it off but the odds are against him.
 
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It's on the coaches to prepare our team but it's up to the players to take that preparation to field. Watch the tape, players aren't getting the job done. Listen to CJP post game press conference..he says..."we need to take the things we do in practice and bring them to the field."

He specifically spoke about the onside kick and how one guy was supposed to take out the FL player, as they had practiced numerous times, but in the game the guy designated to block the guy tried to get the ball instead. How is that on the coaches? CJP is taking responsibility for his failures but the players have to go produce on the field or all the coaching in the world can't change how we play on gameday.
 
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cwbytruckers said:
The blind side on JG could happen to anyone. The dive into the endzone could have happen to anyone. The two INTs were poorly thrown balls. The kickoff return was trying to gain extra yards from an inexperienced returner. I forget the sixth TO. But coaches cant make infield decisions. Why fans believe this is ridiculous.
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Ryan Johnson missnapped to KC
 
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smashmouth105 said:
Watching the Jeremy Pruitt show, I realized it wasn't the coaches. It's all in the players. Lots of these players are just losers in heart. You can't take a hard-nose coach, experienced coordinators, and qualified staff and put them in charge of losers at heart and expect wins. Anyone see what Scott Frost and Chip Kelly are doing at their programs? How TERRIBLE they are? They couldn't even beat Cincinnati or Colorado!
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This team needs to trust each other. Do your best and do YOUR assignment. Don't try to do the other guys job too. This is how Army hung with OU. It's how any team that has less talent plays well. Reduce mistakes by just doing your job and fight like it's your last game- have an edge like your ticked off.
 
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This amazing . . . We're four games into a season that we all knew would be rough and possibly a repeat of last years disaster! Now we have Nega-VOLS screaming "it's the coach", "he's in over his head", etc., etc., etc. I have some bad news for everyone, we have the SAME OL, DL (less K Mac), QB, LB, WR's, as we did last year, what the hell did you expect? Four balls on the ground leading to four touchdowns, 28 points; take the four turnovers off the table and we have a very competitive game. Oh, and the last time I checked not one coach fumbled during the game!!

Last year, our players laid down in the 3rd quarter against every SEC opponent - Saturday I did not see this, I saw players trying to fight and score. We just don't have the horses to play with Florida, Georgia, Auburn, Bama or even Kentucky, which is sickening to think about but it is reality. We have to have dominant OL and DL in this conference to be successful and we are far far from having big physical in your face OL and DL, period.

It will take time, two to three years to get the players and develop them into SEC talent . . . It ain't happening in nine months with the same players from last year.

GBO
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
He was an assistant to head coaches who've won championships both with and without CJP. When has CJP won anything without having top tier talent? When has CJP rebuilt a program? Answer to both is never. Maybe he can pull it off but the odds are against him.
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Obviously he hasn't won anything, because he's never been a head coach, but the recruiting is on the upswing and he's getting his players that fit his scheme. We are beating out the likes of Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Georgia...... for recruits! We haven't consistently done that in a very long time!
 
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teeball said:
I ran out of patience with Tennessee football many years ago and have become extremely cynical of our football program but ...

I believe that I see signs of progress in this coaching staff and team. Even though it's difficult to see through the SIX turnovers and another lopsided loss I do see progress. This team DID NOT QUIT. They continued to play hard on both sides of the ball. The D had a ton of 3rd down stops and the O improved as the game went on as it has in previous games. The more time CJP and his staff have to "coach these boys up" the better we will become. Furthermore, I believe we will win an SEC game THIS YEAR ... possibly two. Slowly but surely CJP and staff will change our "loser" mentality and upgrade our player mix which will ultimately result in tougher Tennessee teams and corresponding wins. GBO!
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I agree that progress is being made. We are taking baby steps right now. I liked the guts to roll the dice at certain times but the other times we are too conservative and predictable. Let’s give Helton time to adjust though. This is his first gig as OC. I’m not bothered by having to get a first time HC here. OU did it, UGA did it, Clemson, and others. There’s only so many top tier coaches out there and we are trying to find the next one. What surprises me more is that Pruitt didn’t choose to get someone more experienced to run the O. But this is Pruitt’s show all the way so we trust him with the keys until he proves without a doubt that he can’t handle it and we are nowhere near that point.
 
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Vol737 said:
Instead of starting a new thread, I would throw out these ideas. If I'm CJP, a couple of things I do to help this team a little... Focus big time on pass blocking, simplify the blocking scheme in total. When JG has time, he can connect. Oddly enough, it's exactly opposite of what I thought to start the year. I think we have to pass, using these big body receivers, to loosen up the run. On kickoffs, I say fair catch it every time. We are giving up five yards every kick off because none of our returners can get it past the 20. Banks and Ty Chandler are my starters in the backfield, with Banks getting half the touches. Next time one of our DB's looks into the backfield when the QB starts to scramble and releases his receiver, who then catches a pass that goes for a long TD....that DB has to write 10,000 sentences. "I will NOT leave my wing man!", have his mom sign it and send it back to CJP. That's all I got.
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I agree. I would add that JG needs more timing routes too. That requires trust and chemistry with the WR but 3-step and 5-step drops and the ball is out. If nothing is there he tucks and gets what he can or throws it away. At times he held it a touch too long.
 
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vol4220 said:
Can we all just step back from the ledge and look at it for what it is. The players we have have not been coached for the past 5 years. In some cases the players in critical position (o-line) and not able to do their job against an SEC defense. This will take time and be frustrating for more than just this year. I agree its painful to watch but at the end of the day we need to learn to walk before we can run.
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Yet you will have a vocal group saying they expect 10 wins next year. That is their right but it’s funny how things are forgotten between November and August. Of course I forget what I did this morning so I understand on some level. Our schedule is much easier next year but right now it’s looking like 4, maybe 5, wins this year and hopefully we can get to 6 or 7 next year. It won’t be easy though. Unless there are major cultural problems or something else unforeseen I won’t even begin to have any expectations until year 3 really. Come year 3 I do expect a bowl game at a minimum and maybe more depending on how things go until then. He needs time. The people calling for his head are insane. Even if Pruitt isn’t the guy we would be in much worse shape if we fired him now. We couldn’t get a high school coach if we did that.
 
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I watched an interesting thing on Youtube. I love watching Skip and Shannon undisputed. Its hilarious, especially Shannon Sharpe. But they had HOF LB James Harrison on and they were talking about the Patriots loss to the Lions.

While Skip Bayless went off on Belicheck, Harrison made it perfectly clear that at the endy of the day, the players have to execute. Shannon Sharoe agreed. I wonder why 2 NFL HOFers would agree on that?
 
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Many have called the o-line issues, but there is progress on our d-line. Those guys were taking it to UF more times than not. If we could develop some studs up front on offense, we would immediately see progress. I think that is what UK has done so well, in the SEC, you have to win the LOS. I'm still holding on...we will turn it around.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Yet you will have a vocal group saying they expect 10 wins next year. That is their right but it’s funny how things are forgotten between November and August. Of course I forget what I did this morning so I understand on some level. Our schedule is much easier next year but right now it’s looking like 4, maybe 5, wins this year and hopefully we can get to 6 or 7 next year. It won’t be easy though. Unless there are major cultural problems or something else unforeseen I won’t even begin to have any expectations until year 3 really. Come year 3 I do expect a bowl game at a minimum and maybe more depending on how things go until then. He needs time. The people calling for his head are insane. Even if Pruitt isn’t the guy we would be in much worse shape if we fired him now. We couldn’t get a high school coach if we did that.
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Very good take. For some reason some fans believe this hire and fire until you get the right one approach is the solution. No its not. We need stability and continuity in this program. Now, realistically I am like you, 6 wins or so nect year. Does that suck? Yes it does. i hate saying that but its where we are. I think in year 4 is where the big jump will happen. Now if it doesnt, then we will know that CJP isnt the guy. But many fans just willfully ignore the crap show he inherited and how long its going to take to fix it.

If we fired Pruitt this year or even next year, it would set us back even further than we are now.
 
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smashmouth105 said:
Watching the Jeremy Pruitt show, I realized it wasn't the coaches. It's all in the players. Lots of these players are just losers in heart. You can't take a hard-nose coach, experienced coordinators, and qualified staff and put them in charge of losers at heart and expect wins. Anyone see what Scott Frost and Chip Kelly are doing at their programs? How TERRIBLE they are? They couldn't even beat Cincinnati or Colorado!
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I’m sorry, but this is moronic. Saying the coaches have no responsibility is just ridiculous.

When you play like that, everybody associated with the program has some culpability.
 
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EZE said:
I’m sorry, but this is moronic. Saying the coaches have no responsibility is just ridiculous.

When you play like that, everybody associated with the program has some culpability.
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Coaches absolutely have responsibility. But at the end of the day, players have to execute. This past week oroves my point easily. VT lost to ODU. Now was that coaching? No. It was players not executing. How about Oklahoma needing OT to beat Army? Was that coaching? No it wasnt. It was players not making plays. Take a few years ago when Ole Miss beat Bama. Bama had 5 turnovers. Now, was that Sabans fault? Or was it his players not making plays?

Point is, it takes the coaches AND the players doing their jobs for a team to be successful.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Frost isn't gonna fix that mess.

Let's take a spread out, hurry up, Big 12 style offensive mind, and put him against Big 10 defenses at Nebraska, where no one in a 400 mile radius runs better than a 4.9 40.

For all the victory laps their AD was taking after that hire, it never made any sense to me.
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Don't be too quick to dismiss him. Kids may not know much about the old Nebraska, but their parents do. He'll start pulling kids out of Texas and Cali. They'll want to go there for the same reasons they started buying into Alabama . It's exciting to revive dead dynasties.
 
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