It’s Time We All Accept It....

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#126
I don’t blame you one bit for feeling this way. However, it only takes one lucky hire to change all this. If we get someone who can actually coach, we will be okay. We have had some of the worst college football coaches come here the past 15 years. Dooley and butch would do this to any program. Not to mention Kiffin left us in a horrible spot. We have nice facilities and a great campus. Recruits just need to see us produce on the field.
 
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BJSforVols said:
The right coach can get us to where Stoops has KY. That's the new ceiling for TN in the SEC.
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Disagree. We consistently pull in higher rated recruits than Kentucky even though we have shat the bed the past 15 years. I think we have to perform soon, but we still have a window to get us on the right track. All it takes is the right coach.
 
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Mtnvol80 said:
Sure most teams had a lucky bounce or two a long the way. 1995 Nebraska is probably the only one that has dominated the whole season. Doesn't change the fact the Arkansas game was won cause of a fluke and Bama sucked and Georgia was decent. Barely squeezed by Syracuse, Florida and auburn. Heck that wasn't even our best team that decade.

That doesn't happen in today's game. Elite programs stumble maybe once during the season, blow everyone else out, then have to beat 2 of the top 4. I don't see us ever getting there again without at least 2 of our 3 rivals down and need them down for a period just to pass them in recruiting. Even then I'm not sure we could out recruit them just cause of location
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I wasn't in any way making a case that we can compete at the highest level again - my point was strictly that as the setup was at the time, we went through a season undefeated and won two championship games. That we "barely squeezed by" is irrelevant, and there are always some good bounces and other schools down when someone wins.

There's no doubt that it was far from our best team of the decade, but an analogy I'll give you, as a Phillies fan back in the day - the Phils were loaded from '76-'78, probably the best team in baseball, but couldn't win when it counted. In 1980, they weren't nearly as good, the core was getting old, but they had traded for Rose in '79, and got a ton of big performances by normally decent players, got all the clutch hits, and won a World Series. That 1998 UT team was like that - not great, but solid and gutty, and made plays when they had to. Marginalizing it now is just crazy.
 
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RockyTop140 said:
Disagree. We consistently pull in higher rated recruits than Kentucky even though we have shat the bed the past 15 years. I think we have to perform soon, but we still have a window to get us on the right track. All it takes is the right coach.
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Agreed. It will take the administration replacing Fulmer and bringing in the type of AD who has the ability to get the right coach to come here, and paying whatever it takes. Will they ever do that? Not likely, but that's how it can be done.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Honestly, the team is not worthy of having fans. We should abandon ship for better SEC programs like Alabama, Florida, Georgia, LSU (granted they are bad this year but I would definitely trade spots with their program who is coming off 15-0 season), and Auburn.

Hell, even Arkansas and Ole Miss show more promise right now than Tennessee.
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I would cut off my fingers and eat them before I would root for Florida.
 
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UT is not dead, but it's lulling, and it will take some lucky cyclical breaks to ever have another run like the 90's (the right coach, rivals being down, etc.).

As it stands, the occasional 9 or 10 win season is still well within reach for the program. All that takes is the right nucleus of talent. But given the overall competitiveness of the SEC, expecting much more than that, especially on a yearly basis, is pretty dumb.

The issue of coaching can be talked in circles forever, and if Pruitt keeps stinking it up, then yeah, you eventually fire him and move on. Having said that, I don't think there is some singular savior of UT football that's just out there waiting for us. It's likely a combination of several things that will have to go UT's way before the ship gets turned around.
 
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Dang, there's a buncha quitters in this thread.

Volunteer football will be back, one day. Yes, contending for conference and national titles. Certainly won't be as fast as any of us would like, and may be considerable pain still to come before we return, but we'll get back eventually.

And listen. If I die without seeing it, I still ain't giving up. There'll be one more Vol fan in heaven or hell. You fair-weather your way over to some team that's winning more right now, if you want. I'm staying true.
 
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Vol.in.tears said:
I think it’s time we accept it. I think it will make it easier for all of us if we just accept that UT is not a good football program and probably never will be again. Yes we were pretty dominant in the 90’s and UT is a storied program with a winning past but the fact is those days are over. Times have changed. You can’t go through this many years of turmoil and chaos and survive. From top to bottom this program is bad.
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The program can survive, and even thrive, if the right hire is made ---- Freeze is perfect for Tennessee!
 
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Vol.in.tears said:
I think it’s time we accept it. I think it will make it easier for all of us if we just accept that UT is not a good football program and probably never will be again. Yes we were pretty dominant in the 90’s and UT is a storied program with a winning past but the fact is those days are over. Times have changed. You can’t go through this many years of turmoil and chaos and survive. From top to bottom this program is bad.
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Vol.in.tears said:
I think it’s time we accept it. I think it will make it easier for all of us if we just accept that UT is not a good football program and probably never will be again. Yes we were pretty dominant in the 90’s and UT is a storied program with a winning past but the fact is those days are over. Times have changed. You can’t go through this many years of turmoil and chaos and survive. From top to bottom this program is bad.
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We are a basketball school. Nothing wrong with that.
 
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VolAllen said:
I’ve started to believe this. I’m not sure the University is committed to doing what it takes to win. I truly believe it’s a dead program and that the 90’s were just an anomaly.
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its a little of that and also some other programs have stepped it up . There are a lot of very good HC’s in the SEC now. Not so much in the 90’s. Spurrier in the East was it as far as our side.
 
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Vol.in.tears said:
I think it’s time we accept it. I think it will make it easier for all of us if we just accept that UT is not a good football program and probably never will be again. Yes we were pretty dominant in the 90’s and UT is a storied program with a winning past but the fact is those days are over. Times have changed. You can’t go through this many years of turmoil and chaos and survive. From top to bottom this program is bad.
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great attitude.

go ahead and get some put on that robe, grab bon bons, tissues and stay in bed the rest of the day.
 
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#142
Too many feelz clouding your vision, it seems.
Poop rolls downhill. If you look up to top of that hill you'll see meddling, egomanical, deep pocketed donors pulling the strings which is rich ground for systemic dysfunction.

Followed by career academia lackeys hiring a questionably qualified local hero as AD who found his terribly unqualified mini me, in ALABAMA, to groom as head coach, when AD has no history of grooming successful head coaches

I could be wrong.
 
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#144
UT Knoxville hasn’t been the same since Loren Crabtree was ousted. John Peterson ran the university into the ground leaving the university with no choice but to cut hundreds of jobs and hundreds of millions of dollars out of the budget. Incompetent leadership at the top has led to incompetent leadership and poor decisions from the AD and unfortunately Tennessee has NEVER been able to right the ship. Without quality leadership at the top that is committed to excellence; football is doomed.
 
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It is time for us to suck it up, and wait until his contract has run its course. If he hasn't improved, move on to someone else. Although, when coaches know their time is coming to an end, they tend to lay down on the job. The program might be in worse condition than it was after Dooley left. Plus, he will take every recruit with him.
 
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sami said:
I wasn't in any way making a case that we can compete at the highest level again - my point was strictly that as the setup was at the time, we went through a season undefeated and won two championship games. That we "barely squeezed by" is irrelevant, and there are always some good bounces and other schools down when someone wins.

There's no doubt that it was far from our best team of the decade, but an analogy I'll give you, as a Phillies fan back in the day - the Phils were loaded from '76-'78, probably the best team in baseball, but couldn't win when it counted. In 1980, they weren't nearly as good, the core was getting old, but they had traded for Rose in '79, and got a ton of big performances by normally decent players, got all the clutch hits, and won a World Series. That 1998 UT team was like that - not great, but solid and gutty, and made plays when they had to. Marginalizing it now is just crazy.
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That team was deep with NFL talent everywhere.
 
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kbear01 said:
That team was deep with NFL talent everywhere.
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They did because there were a lot of players in that group that were winners with character. It wasn't a team with any real superstars, but a bunch of guys anyone would want on their roster.
 
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At this point, all the big swinging d***s over there are too slow, too self serving and too stupid to right this ship. And we’re not firing Pruitt after this season. We are where we are for the next 10 years...at least. Enjoy making some money on UT not covering the spread.
 
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VolAllen said:
I’ve started to believe this. I’m not sure the University is committed to doing what it takes to win. I truly believe it’s a dead program and that the 90’s were just an anomaly.
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They call that a high water mark.
 
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Vol.in.tears said:
I think it’s time we accept it. I think it will make it easier for all of us if we just accept that UT is not a good football program and probably never will be again. Yes we were pretty dominant in the 90’s and UT is a storied program with a winning past but the fact is those days are over. Times have changed. You can’t go through this many years of turmoil and chaos and survive. From top to bottom this program is bad.
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I don't post much but I think we can get back to winning the east and contending. It's going to take more than we've got now but hell maybe we can be like LSU and catch lightning in a bottle. I was 16 years old when we won the NC I'm now 38 and I just want us to be able to compete with the big boys again. It's not unrealistic to think we should contend for the East every few years and maybe win the SEC at least once in 5 years. Things are different now but we've never seemed to adjust for what that difference is. Like now we have a defensive-minded head coach in what appears to be changing to an offensive-minded SEC. Go figure.
 
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