It’s Time We All Accept It....

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I feel like UT is in the edge of tomorrow movie with Tom cruise where he gets killed every day and learns how to get better the next day to defeat the invader...except UT keeps making the same mistakes over and over hiring coaches
 
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Vol.in.tears said:
I think it’s time we accept it. I think it will make it easier for all of us if we just accept that UT is not a good football program and probably never will be again. Yes we were pretty dominant in the 90’s and UT is a storied program with a winning past but the fact is those days are over. Times have changed. You can’t go through this many years of turmoil and chaos and survive. From top to bottom this program is bad.
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JACK8254 said:
SAD BUT TRUE. Our coaching hires make it certain things will never get better. We are no better than third or 4th in the east, even on a "good year". We will never again be on a level with Ga, Fla, Lsu, Bama, Auburn.
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Maybe we could be if they agreed to only play 30 minute games from now on. It’s pathetic that we can’t ever make meaningful game time adjustments.
 
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Vol.in.tears said:
I think it’s time we accept it. I think it will make it easier for all of us if we just accept that UT is not a good football program and probably never will be again. Yes we were pretty dominant in the 90’s and UT is a storied program with a winning past but the fact is those days are over. Times have changed. You can’t go through this many years of turmoil and chaos and survive. From top to bottom this program is bad.
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This post is premature. So long as we're recruiting, top ten at this point for 2021, then we're not done yet. With recruiting classes like that, we can expect to at least beat Arkansas and Kentucky.

I think we have a serious coaching problem on the offensive side of the ball. Talent aside, look at our offense vs others in the 21st century. The good ones are running all kinds of motions, misdirections, picks and read options. It's hard to follow who has the ball. You don't see that with our guys. We just stand back there and run this vanilla offense. The end result is our guys are not getting open and teams can stack up to stop our run. We need a complete overhaul of our offense. You don't win nowadays unless you score 30-40 pts a game
 
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Vol.in.tears said:
I think it’s time we accept it. I think it will make it easier for all of us if we just accept that UT is not a good football program and probably never will be again. Yes we were pretty dominant in the 90’s and UT is a storied program with a winning past but the fact is those days are over. Times have changed. You can’t go through this many years of turmoil and chaos and survive. From top to bottom this program is bad.
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👎🏻 Speak for yourself...
 
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Sea Ray said:
This post is premature. So long as we're recruiting, top ten at this point for 2021, then we're not done yet. With recruiting classes like that, we can expect to at least beat Arkansas and Kentucky.

I think we have a serious coaching problem on the offensive side of the ball. Talent aside, look at our offense vs others in the 21st century. The good ones are running all kinds of motions, misdirections, picks and read options. It's hard to follow who has the ball. You don't see that with our guys. We just stand back there and run this vanilla offense. The end result is our guys are not getting open and teams can stack up to stop our run. We need a complete overhaul of our offense. You don't win nowadays unless you score 30-40 pts a game
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This is Arkansas last 3 recruiting classes according to 247:
2017 - 27th
2018 - 45th
2019 - 23rd
This is Tennessee’s last 3 recruiting classes:
2017 - 17th
2018 - 21st
2019 - 13th
There’s actually not as big of a gap as I thought there was but there is still a considerable gap. And we’re also talking about an Arkansas team that had lost 20 SEC games in a row coming into this season. We have a third year coach they have a first year coach... I do not think this post is premature.. Theres not a snowballs chance in hell we maintain this top 10 class. We’ve been down for a long time and we are going nowhere but South.
 
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Vol.in.tears said:
This is Arkansas last 3 recruiting classes according to 247:
2017 - 27th
2018 - 45th
2019 - 23rd
This is Tennessee’s last 3 recruiting classes:
2017 - 17th
2018 - 21st
2019 - 13th
There’s actually not as big of a gap as I thought there was but there is still a considerable gap. And we’re also talking about an Arkansas team that had lost 20 SEC games in a row coming into this season. We have a third year coach they have a first year coach... I do not think this post is premature.. Theres not a snowballs chance in hell we maintain this top 10 class. We’ve been down for a long time and we are going nowhere but South.
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You're making my point. The talent is here to beat the likes of Ark and Ky. It'll just take better coaching. I'm advocating a cleaning house on the offensive side of the ball. As per your point, it can change in one yr with better coaching.
 
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VolAllen said:
I’ve started to believe this. I’m not sure the University is committed to doing what it takes to win. I truly believe it’s a dead program and that the 90’s were just an anomaly.
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Not true. Look at who the stadium is named after and owned Bear Bryant. Orange blood runs deep and we'll be back. A good, innovated OC would do wonders for our program right now.
 
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Sea Ray said:
This post is premature. So long as we're recruiting, top ten at this point for 2021, then we're not done yet. With recruiting classes like that, we can expect to at least beat Arkansas and Kentucky.

I think we have a serious coaching problem on the offensive side of the ball. Talent aside, look at our offense vs others in the 21st century. The good ones are running all kinds of motions, misdirections, picks and read options. It's hard to follow who has the ball. You don't see that with our guys. We just stand back there and run this vanilla offense. The end result is our guys are not getting open and teams can stack up to stop our run. We need a complete overhaul of our offense. You don't win nowadays unless you score 30-40 pts a game
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I'm glad someone on VN can distinquish reality. That's our major problem and the cause of our losses. It's a simple fix, hire a brilliant OC over Pruitt's wishes and put him on notice if he doesn't have enough sense to see it for himself and make the necessary changes first.
 
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tbones0711 said:
I'm glad someone on VN can distinquish reality. That's our major problem and the cause of our losses. It's a simple fix, hire a brilliant OC over Pruitt's wishes and put him on notice if he doesn't have enough sense to see it for himself and make the necessary changes first.
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Lol, you talk about distinguishing reality then post this. If it were a simple fix, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
I’m going into a dormant stage and will not invest as much emotional attachment to the program until there are changes. It may be years or never again. Of course if HB starts next week......I may change my mind.
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We need a stud running back to pick up blitzes and we don't have one. HB has to get rid of the ball fast if he plays. Can't afford to see him injured.
 
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mad4vols said:
Before the 90’s I was just happy if we had an occasional upset, were ranked or made it to a bowl game.
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We already had multiple championships prior to the 90s.

We were winning sugar bowls right before Phil took over.

We were still considered a top tier team back then.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Lol, you talk about distinguishing reality then post this. If it were a simple fix, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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A complete and new offensive system capable of putting more points on the board would have us at 4-2 or 5-1 right now, imo. Pruitt is capable as a defensive coach, It's the offense continually going 3 and out causing UT to lose games.
 
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1985Vols said:
This is complete bs. We have the facilities and fan base to match any program in the country. Problem is, we’ve made some horrible coaching hires and should have never fired Fulmer when we did. The right coach could bring us back to competing for championships . I’m not confident we can make the right hire though.
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First, it was time for Fulmer to go. He had stopped recruiting, looked completely uninterested on the sidelines and lost to Wyoming. He had his run. The problem is with the program and the powers that be pulling the strings. Example: how in the world did a Bama guy get into the athletic director's chair? Look what he did to the program and was allowed to! There is more going on behind the scenes.
 
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Sea Ray said:
You're making my point. The talent is here to beat the likes of Ark and Ky. It'll just take better coaching. I'm advocating a cleaning house on the offensive side of the ball. As per your point, it can change in one yr with better coaching.
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I know I was agreeing with you on that point. I would like to believe the program is one great hire away from being relevant again. But the truth is the powers that be have proven over and over again that they are incapable of making that hire. In Fulmers defense, he was put in a bad position at the time of the Pruitt hire. I also agree with everything you said about how the game has changed as far as offense goes and we have been stuck in the dark ages for years. Gotta get a coach that runs a dynamic offense.
 
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Vol.in.tears said:
I think it’s time we accept it. I think it will make it easier for all of us if we just accept that UT is not a good football program and probably never will be again. Yes we were pretty dominant in the 90’s and UT is a storied program with a winning past but the fact is those days are over. Times have changed. You can’t go through this many years of turmoil and chaos and survive. From top to bottom this program is bad.
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No I want except that and if you think that then quit watching or pulling for them and worrying what they rest of us believe. Things are always changing, nothing stay exactly the same, their is too much money and a fan base at Tennessee that is loyal to them. You don't have to be one of them if you don't want to, it's a free country still. GBO!
 
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Vol.in.tears said:
I know I was agreeing with you on that point. I would like to believe the program is one great hire away from being relevant again. But the truth is the powers that be have proven over and over again that they are incapable of making that hire. In Fulmers defense, he was put in a bad position at the time of the Pruitt hire. I also agree with everything you said about how the game has changed as far as offense goes and we have been stuck in the dark ages for years. Gotta get a coach that runs a dynamic offense.
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By dynamic if you mean balanced I agree. And don't forget you have to be able to play good defense to still win championships. GBO!
 
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Never is a long time. My best counter to OP is I was (reluctantly) living in Alabama in some of the pre-Saban era, right up until he landed in Tuscaloosa with Mal Moore who was their AD at the time. The bammers were enduring one of there longest title droughts and apathy was setting in. There were several people having similar conversations to the one OP sparked about that program. Finebaum had a multiple shows dedicated to the subject. He sounded like a depressed puppy during this time. They went though 4 losing season in a decade.

We all know what happened next. Mal Moore would not take a no from Saban. Alabama paid the cost. Who the hell would go to Tuscaloosa otherwise. There aren’t many Sabans walking around but no one could have predicted what he ultimately accomplished In 2007.

Relevancy could come again in other ways. Actually getting lucky on a coach for instance. Increased population and talent in the state is another way.
 
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BayVol7 said:
Never is a long time. My best counter to OP is I was (reluctantly) living in Alabama in some of the pre-Saban era, right up until he landed in Tuscaloosa with Mal Moore who was their AD at the time. The bammers were enduring one of there longest title droughts and apathy was setting in. There were several people having similar conversations to the one OP sparked about that program. Finebaum had a multiple shows dedicated to the subject. He sounded like a depressed puppy during this time. They went though 4 losing season in a decade.

We all know what happened next. Mal Moore would not take a no from Saban. Alabama paid the cost. Who the hell would go to Tuscaloosa otherwise. There aren’t many Sabans walking around but no one could have predicted what he ultimately accomplished In 2007.

Relevancy could come again in other ways. Actually getting lucky on a coach for instance. Increased population and talent in the state is another way.
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That's what is needed, a forward thinking AD with the gravitas and ability to go and get a big time coach, and the willingness on the part of the school to pay whatever is necessary. If the university isn't willing to take those steps, then we will indeed remain a second or third tier school at best, hoping for eight wins and a decent bowl game.
 
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JACK8254 said:
So, we should have Derrick Dooley.. If we had we would be in the top ten again. RIGHT
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No, we should’ve never hired him. We should have hired a football coach. My point is not that we didn’t need to fire them, more so that as long as we are firing coaches every 3-4 years, nobody is gonna take a chance here unless they are an up and comer. It’s pretty simple.
 
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sami said:
That's ridiculous. If that's the case, you can go back through the years and find a ton of "fluke" national champions. The teams that win have always generally gotten some lucky bounces, have stayed healthy while others haven't, and have benefited from scheduling. We were undefeated through an SEC season, won a conference championship game, and the national title game. Some fluke.
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Sure most teams had a lucky bounce or two a long the way. 1995 Nebraska is probably the only one that has dominated the whole season. Doesn't change the fact the Arkansas game was won cause of a fluke and Bama sucked and Georgia was decent. Barely squeezed by Syracuse, Florida and auburn. Heck that wasn't even our best team that decade.

That doesn't happen in today's game. Elite programs stumble maybe once during the season, blow everyone else out, then have to beat 2 of the top 4. I don't see us ever getting there again without at least 2 of our 3 rivals down and need them down for a period just to pass them in recruiting. Even then I'm not sure we could out recruit them just cause of location
 
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