Israel vs Palestinians

[Ritzwatch]

This is definitely terrorism

Seriously? Did you read the article? Terrorism?

NYT says "arrested" in headline but conveniently skips the part where the Israeli (who is an illegal, BTW) hasn't been charged. He's back at home and look at what the crime in question is. Fkn ridiculous. This is what an Apartheid state looks like.

The suspect has been detained on house arrest for suspicion of what, in the US, is a homicide charge. We have people in this country charge with homicide charges who get bail and/or house arrest all the time.

I don’t know the Israeli system well enough to know what constitutes a formal charge, but I doubt this guy is on house arrest without some sort of legal process.

The Israeli police said Yinon Levi was the suspect in the shooting and was detained on suspicion of “reckless conduct resulting in death and unlawful use of a firearm.” Mr. Levi owns a farm, an illegal settlement near the southern West Bank city of Hebron. An Israeli judge released Mr. Levi on house arrest on Tuesday, according to Avichai Hajbi, his lawyer.

Actually sounds like the exact type of crime he’d be charged with in the US for this type of conduct - shooting a weapon in a random direction to try to frighten off people who were throwing stones at him.

Oddly the detainee’s conduct of shooting randomly off into the air undercuts his claim of self-defense “fear for his life”, he’d have had a better claim fear of imminent harm (in the US, at least), if he’d shot those who were throwing stones at him.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/29/world/middleeast/israeli-settler-palestinian-killed.html

I don’t know enough to know if the shooter was a legal graded developer, or an illegal Israeli settler, but I don’t think it matters either way to claims of self defense, again, I assert my ignorance of Israeli self-defense law.

 

[NashVol11]

Yes, the GHF has reported attacks on distribution by Hamas. Because Hamas wants the UN to control the distribution. Because the UN feeds Hamas.

The pro-Israel folks here will just dismiss anything from the Gaza Health Ministry and then turn around and quote what the GHF says as fact, as if it would ever blame Israel

 

[EasternVol]

This is definitely terrorism

NYT says "arrested" in headline but conveniently skips the part where the Israeli (who is an illegal, BTW) hasn't been charged. He's back at home and look at what the crime in question is. Fkn ridiculous. This is what an Apartheid state looks like.

The Israeli police said Yinon Levi was the suspect in the shooting and was detained on suspicion of “reckless conduct resulting in death and unlawful use of a firearm.” Mr. Levi owns a farm, an illegal settlement near the southern West Bank city of Hebron. An Israeli judge released Mr. Levi on house arrest on Tuesday, according to Avichai Hajbi, his lawyer.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/29/world/middleeast/israeli-settler-palestinian-killed.html

House arrest for murder, meanwhile it's shoot to kill if a kid's throwing rocks.

 

[Sandman 423]

And what country would they come from?

They come from their member nations. They may have asked and were turned down for all I know. Just seems odd to me that you don't here anything about the UN helping.

 

[KB5252]

This is definitely terrorism

NYT says "arrested" in headline but conveniently skips the part where the Israeli (who is an illegal, BTW) hasn't been charged. He's back at home and look at what the crime in question is. Fkn ridiculous. This is what an Apartheid state looks like.

The Israeli police said Yinon Levi was the suspect in the shooting and was detained on suspicion of “reckless conduct resulting in death and unlawful use of a firearm.” Mr. Levi owns a farm, an illegal settlement near the southern West Bank city of Hebron. An Israeli judge released Mr. Levi on house arrest on Tuesday, according to Avichai Hajbi, his lawyer.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/29/world/middleeast/israeli-settler-palestinian-killed.html

I have some questions based on that article.

1)How can you own a farm and it be illegal? Did he buy it from Palestinians?

2) he drew his weapon and fired because a group was throwing stones, and someone further away not affiliated, at least directly, with that group was hit. It sounds like an accidental shooting. The charge as stated sounds reasonable. I'm not sure about their justice system but it didn't sound like a great situation for Palestinians.

 

[hog88]

They come from their member nations. They may have asked and were turned down for all I know. Just seems odd to me that you don't here anything about the UN helping.

What member countries do you think would send their troops into that quagmire?

 

[KB5252]

House arrest for murder, meanwhile it's shoot to kill if a kid's throwing rocks.

That's not what I took away from that reporting. I read that as this person not affiliated with the stone throwers was hit, doesn't appear he was targeted.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[Orangeslice13]

The others who liked it did so after MAD's post, at the time it was just me

Hey pal, I don’t need your pesky facts messing up my weight room epiphany.

 

[Sandman 423]

What member countries do you think would send their troops into that quagmire?

Got me??? Maybe check with Canada. I keep hearing how much better they are than us

 

[Vol8188]

The pro-Israel folks here will just dismiss anything from the Gaza Health Ministry and then turn around and quote what the GHF says as fact, as if it would ever blame Israel

The GHF isn’t an Israeli foundation nor a terrorist organization.

So yeah, of the two options you mentioned, I’d be far more likely to believe the GHF than any Hamas ran organization.

Here’s a curious question. Both sides seem to agree that Palestinians are attacking aid. Both the UN and GHF make that claim.

Do you not believe any of those Palestinians to be Hamas members? You guys seem to play this disingenuous game where you continually deny that anyone is even in Hamas. Hamas is evil, but also nonexistent seems to be the claim

 

[Vol8188]

Now is not then. Situations change. I'm sure those are novel concepts for you but you'll catch on.

The article was within the last week and the UN had a massive amount of food they were unable to distribute. I doubt that’s significantly changed

 

[Orangeslice13]

I have some questions based on that article.

1)How can you own a farm and it be illegal? Did he buy it from Palestinians?

2) he drew his weapon and fired because a group was throwing stones, and someone further away not affiliated, at least directly, with that group was hit. It sounds like an accidental shooting. The charge as stated sounds reasonable. I'm not sure about their justice system but it didn't sound like a great situation for Palestinians.

I don’t know this case but you are correct. According to the the West Bank and Gaza it is illegal to sell your property to Jews. When it happens it’s called illegal occupation.
The problem is they seem to have no way of stopping it and once Jewish owners/occupation reaches 75% the area is annexed.

It will be interesting to see how much of Gaza has been bought up during this conflict

 

[Vol8188]

This is definitely terrorism

NYT says "arrested" in headline but conveniently skips the part where the Israeli (who is an illegal, BTW) hasn't been charged. He's back at home and look at what the crime in question is. Fkn ridiculous. This is what an Apartheid state looks like.

The Israeli police said Yinon Levi was the suspect in the shooting and was detained on suspicion of “reckless conduct resulting in death and unlawful use of a firearm.” Mr. Levi owns a farm, an illegal settlement near the southern West Bank city of Hebron. An Israeli judge released Mr. Levi on house arrest on Tuesday, according to Avichai Hajbi, his lawyer.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/29/world/middleeast/israeli-settler-palestinian-killed.html

How do Palestinians deal with one of their own killing an Israeli? O yeah, they get financially rewarded by the “moderate” Palestinian Authority.

 

[n_huffhines]

House arrest for murder, meanwhile it's shoot to kill if a kid's throwing rocks.

Not just murder...it's almost definitely a political killing/terrorism.

Do we believe the people telling us that the kids threw rocks? Why?

 

[OrangeTsar]

Irrelevant to YOU perhaps; but centrally important to those of us who see it as a critical issue.? After all, who WOULDN‘T wish to defend the sole democracy in the region and the sole haven in which gays can openly live? Sane people want such a place to survive and thrive, which necessarily entails such state be able to defend itself.
And don’t worry; if I ever see an actual genocide, I shall be the first to oppose such an abomination.

 

[n_huffhines]

I have some questions based on that article.

1)How can you own a farm and it be illegal? Did he buy it from Palestinians?

Article 49 of the 4th Geneva convention

2) he drew his weapon and fired because a group was throwing stones, and someone further away not affiliated, at least directly, with that group was hit. It sounds like an accidental shooting. The charge as stated sounds reasonable. I'm not sure about their justice system but it didn't sound like a great situation for Palestinians.

FFS, you guys ( @Ritzwatch ) will believe anything. Do the smallest amount of research on the killer. Please. Just the tiniest bit. Not something spoon-fed to you by Israeli propagandists. This killer is such bad news, he's already been sanctioned by the US, EU, UK, etc.

He is a terrorist.

Edit: Trump removed him from the sanctioned list, LOL

 

[NashVol11]

Irrelevant to YOU perhaps; but centrally important to those of us who see it as a critical issue.? After all, who WOULDN‘T wish to defend the sole democracy in the region and the sole haven in which gays can openly live? Sane people want such a place to survive and thrive, which necessarily entails such state be able to defend itself.
And don’t worry; if I ever see an actual genocide, I shall be the first to oppose such an abomination.

Would your view of the Holocaust be different if the Nazis painted rainbow Pride flags all over the camps? No? Didn't think so. It's hilariously out of touch that supporters of Israel think this is persuasive to anyone

 

[Vol8188]

Not just murder...it's almost definitely a political killing/terrorism.

Do you have any evidence for that claim?

 

[ButchPlz]

Would your view of the Holocaust be different if the Nazis painted rainbow Pride flags all over the camps? No? Didn't think so. It's hilariously out of touch that supporters of Israel think this is persuasive to anyone

Let's not forget that this whole "only democracy in the Middle East" is a total sham, considering the guy that was about to be obliterated for corruption bought his current seat with the blood of his own citizens and is openly on record talking about wanting to install his son into power.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Would your view of the Holocaust be different if the Nazis painted rainbow Pride flags all over the camps? No? Didn't think so. It's hilariously out of touch that supporters of Israel think this is persuasive to anyone

Ironic that you mention the Nazi, a group whose stated goals of ridding their land of the Jews is 100 percent in lockstep with Palestinian elected HAMAS.
The Nazis would agree with pretty much everything you have posted here BTW

 

[KB5252]

Article 49 of the 4th Geneva convention



FFS, you guys ( @Ritzwatch ) will believe anything. Do the smallest amount of research on the killer. Please. Just the tiniest bit. Not something spoon-fed to you by Israeli propagandists. This killer is such bad news, he's already been sanctioned by the US, EU, UK, etc.

He is a terrorist.

The only "research" I've done is the article you provided........ And that's what I commented on, it's what resulted in my questions.

 

[ButchPlz]

Ironic that you mention the Nazi, a group whose stated goals of ridding their land of the Jews is 100 percent in lockstep with Palestinian elected HAMAS.
The Nazis would agree with pretty much everything you have posted here BTW

Does it ever get old calling everyone Nazis?

First the left does it, then the right does it. Anyone that throws that around anymore as if it actually means anything valuable is functioning with a room temperature IQ.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Let's not forget that this whole "only democracy in the Middle East" is a total sham, considering the guy that was about to be obliterated for corruption bought his current seat with the blood of his own citizens and is openly on record talking about wanting to install his son into power.

Ah; „bought with blood“….
Nothing like a little Blood Libel to stir the pot a little.
And yes, Israel HAS elections and Netanyahu is subject to them. You just don’t like democracy when the other guy wins.

 

[ButchPlz]

Ah; „bought with blood“….
Nothing like a little Blood Libel to stir the pot a little.
And yes, Israel HAS elections and Netanyahu is subject to them. You just don’t like democracy when the other guy wins.

This post legitimately reads like someone that never goes outside and spends too much time on YouTube.

This is very bold. I wish I had the ability to literally forget almost everything I'd ever posted or discussed before.