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Ritzwatch said:
Interesting snippet from the article:

“The study noted a limitation: because Palestinians who receive aid cannot be vetted, it was possible that U.S.-funded supplies went to administrative officials of Hamas, the Islamist rulers of Gaza.

One source familiar with the study also cautioned that the absence of reports of widespread aid diversion by Hamas “does not mean that diversion has not occurred.”

The article also mentions that disruption of 44 of 156 aid deliveries were due to Israeli military actions. It would be interesting to know what happened to the other 112.

Strange how the people pissed off about aid to Israel don’t seem to care if US funded supplies are ending up in Hamas’ hands.
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You have to live in fairytale land to believe his article on this. Almost 2 years in and Hamas is still eating. Even posting videos of themselves eating.
 
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n_huffhines said:
And none of you will change your mind. You'll still probably use this point

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Huff,
Here is an article that is free to read that is in response to the one you posted, I hope you take the time to read it. I’ve also posted a few excerpts below.

www.jpost.com

USAID's denial of Hamas aid theft clash with Gazan reality | The Jerusalem Post

The study's acknowledgment of severe limitations, combined with extensive documentation of Hamas aid diversion from multiple sources, raises serious questions about the reliability of its findings.
www.jpost.com www.jpost.com

Excerpts:

The study relied entirely on self-reporting from aid organizations operating in what analysts describe as a "mafia-like" environment controlled by Hamas through violence and intimidation.
"No organization wants to admit it handed over some aid to terrorists or mafia gunmen," “But the organizations also know if they condemn Hamas, then they could be in danger."

Palestinians described how Hamas systematically disrupts aid distribution to maintain control over supplies.
"They don't want the people to receive aid, they want to foil the plan so that the aid will go to them, allowing them to steal it," one Gaza resident told a Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT) officer in May. "They live on the aid... they want aid to come in through the United Nations and international organizations so they can steal it... I swear to you, they're criminals, like ISIS."

Another civilian employed by World Central Kitchen provided direct testimony about theft: "When the supplies arrive, they try to steal."

The testimonies also revealed the deadly consequences for Palestinians who attempt to bypass Hamas's control. "They killed my cousin yesterday because he went to UNRWA," one resident was recorded saying in a January conversation, referring to Hamas's murder of civilians seeking aid outside their system.

Israeli intelligence has also intercepted revealing Hamas communications. In September 2024, N12 broadcast that a Hamas terrorist was recorded discussing stolen humanitarian aid: "At this point, we have everything... The warehouse is at full capacity."

Even Palestinian Authority officials have contradicted the USAID findings. In April 2025, PA President Mahmoud Abbas blamed Hamas for aid lootings in the Gaza Strip, with WAFA quoting a presidential statement saying that "it held Hamas-affiliated gangs primarily responsible." Abbas emphasized that all of the looting gangs were "known to the Palestinian public and will top the blacklist to be held accountable and brought to justice in accordance with the law at the appropriate time."


“Israel facilitates thousands of aid trucks into Gaza, but we know from multiple intelligence and international sources that Hamas diverts between 30% and 50% of that aid for its own use."

This assessment directly contradicts the USAID findings and aligns with testimonies from Gaza residents and Palestinian Authority officials. "They steal food, fuel, and medicine meant for civilians, hoard it in their tunnels, and sell it on the black market to fund their war machine," Mencer added. "Hamas deliberately exploits the aid to starve their own people."

The Israeli government's position suggests that the malnutrition crisis UNICEF describes isn't solely a matter of access, but rather a deliberate strategy by Hamas to weaponize humanitarian suffering - a claim supported by multiple Palestinian testimonies but notably absent from the USAID analysis.
 
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EasternVol said:
So? Nobody says hamas is the victim.
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Correct. Hamas isn’t the victim. They’re the perpetrator.
Hamas declared war on 10/07. Israel declared war shortly thereafter. A lot of people have needlessly died because of Hamas. Those are Hamas’s victims.

That number could have been so much less if Hamas would have released the hostages and surrendered. There could possibly been no war if Hamas had not taken hostages to begin with.
In conclusion the ethnic cleaning /genocide claims are absolutely Bull ****. As the conflict only continues as long as Hamas holds hostages and has nothing to do with anything else.


Thanks for finally asking the question.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Ya , it is.
Hamas is responsible for all of this.
And it’s 100% on them.
Without the hostages none of this is happening right now.

You don’t get to cry genocide while holding hostages.
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Holding hostages, openly murdering their own people, openly stealing aid from their own people.

Who the issue is, is evident here
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Ya , it is.
Hamas is responsible for all of this.
And it’s 100% on them.
Without the hostages none of this is happening right now.

You don’t get to cry genocide while holding hostages.
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No, it isn't. Hamas is responsible for the evil they themselves have done. Israel is responsible for the evil they themselves have done. There's plenty on both sides although Israel's 'winning' in scale and scope. When someone aims or points and fires, that someone is responsible for what happens when the round hits.
Hamas may be disqualified from crying genocide but the rest of the world isn't.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
This is why I appreciate you.
You are absolutely consistent in your beliefs and application of truth.
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We live in a world with an abundance of information at our fingertips it’s a choice to believe/spread misinformation. I’d rather find the truth even if causes me to completely change my opinions about everything than believe a lie because it fits my world view
 
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Smokey123 said:
We live in a world with an abundance of information at our fingertips it’s a choice to believe/spread misinformation. I’d rather find the truth even if causes me to completely change my opinions about everything than believe a lie because it fits my world view
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I appreciate that about you.
 
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EasternVol said:
No, it isn't. Hamas is responsible for the evil they themselves have done. Israel is responsible for the evil they themselves have done. There's plenty on both sides although Israel's 'winning' in scale and scope. When someone aims or points and fires, that someone is responsible for what happens when the round hits.
Hamas may be disqualified from crying genocide but the rest of the world isn't.
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There is no genocide when hostages are what prolongs and/is the cause of the war.
It ends when Hamas ends it.

You’re not a victim of Israel if you’re elected government holds hostages and hides behind you and your children.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Looks like they're at it again

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Maybe give them their family back…..and the body of the naked woman bleeding from her ass used as a war trophy…..and they won’t be in the road blocking anything.

I knew her and I know her husband. Just think for one minute if that was your wife, daughter, or mother……that’s his reality.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Looks like they're at it again

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Odd. You seem to believe Zionist are evil and spend a ton of time posting about that.

I assume you’d call Hamas evil too. Is there just no one actually in Hamas to post about? Is there no one who supports them?

You oddly only care about the actions of one group of civilians and not the other.
 
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