Israel vs Palestinians

[n_huffhines]

You keep referencing a few isolated cases of individuals allegedly linked to Hamas, then use that to discredit an entire category of professionals who’ve been killed in record numbers. Over 100 journalists and over 400 healthcare workers have been killed in Gaza as of mid-2025, according to international watchdogs. Are you suggesting they were all complicit?

Warning someone to run from an inescapable fire doesn’t absolve the arsonist. Even if we accept that Hamas has done so in some cases, it doesn’t justify indiscriminate bombing of entire neighborhoods. International humanitarian law doesn’t get suspended just because the enemy is unscrupulous. You can hold Hamas accountable without giving Israel a blank check to kill 60,000+ people, most of whom are women and children.

The claim that “no army has done more to avoid civilian casualties than the IDF” is surely a joke.
You don’t get to obliterate half of Gaza’s infrastructure, displace nearly 2 million people, kill more children than any conflict in the 21st century and then ask for a gold star because you dropped flyers first.

Bro, people in here have literally been joking that "Israel is not that good at genocide."

I would say it's definitely between Sudan and Israel in recent history. And GPT is treating them with kid gloves. Get that 38k number TFOH, and they omitted that 2m are displaced (but included that number for Myanmar).

 

[Vol8188]

You keep referencing a few isolated cases of individuals allegedly linked to Hamas, then use that to discredit an entire category of professionals who’ve been killed in record numbers. Over 100 journalists and over 400 healthcare workers have been killed in Gaza as of mid-2025, according to international watchdogs. Are you suggesting they were all complicit?

Warning someone to run from an inescapable fire doesn’t absolve the arsonist. Even if we accept that Hamas has done so in some cases, it doesn’t justify indiscriminate bombing of entire neighborhoods. International humanitarian law doesn’t get suspended just because the enemy is unscrupulous. You can hold Hamas accountable without giving Israel a blank check to kill 60,000+ people, most of whom are women and children.

The claim that “no army has done more to avoid civilian casualties than the IDF” is surely a joke.
You don’t get to obliterate half of Gaza’s infrastructure, displace nearly 2 million people, kill more children than any conflict in the 21st century and then ask for a gold star because you dropped flyers first.

No, I’m not suggesting they’re all complicit. I’m sure x number of them are. Knowing the exact value of x is impossible. But I am suggesting it’s disingenuous to come on here crying about all these dead journalists and healthcare workers without acknowledging that many of them were Hamas members. That’s the overall problem with your side. You’ll say “we agree Hamas is bad!”. Then openly deny that anyone is Hamas. It’s basically “they’re bad, but they also don’t exist”.

Clearly the fire isn’t inescapable as evidenced by the 2 million people currently alive in Gaza. Clearly there isn’t indiscriminate bombing as evidenced by the 2 million people currently living in Gaza.

It’s really hard to protect children’s whose parents refuse to protect them. Protecting citizens ultimately is the responsibility of their government. Instead their government openly brags about using their blood for political purposes. But clearly it’s the other guys who are the problem

 

[Persian Vol]

Do I type in “International Watchdogs” to verify your claims?

Hamas releases all the hostages and accepts defeat would save all their buildings and people. Put pressure on the terrorists that committed 10/7.

The Gazans are being killed because of Hamas, their homes are being destroyed because Hamas. The IDF cares more about the people living in Gaza than Hamas does. This has been their plan all along. It’s not about land, it’s about trying to get rid of the Jews in Israel.

It’s extraordinary that you guys truly believe this.

 

[MAD]

Bro, people in here have literally been joking that "Israel is not that good at genocide."

I would say it's definitely between Sudan and Israel in recent history. And GPT is treating them with kid gloves. Get that 38k number TFOH, and they omitted that 2m are displaced (but included that number for Myanmar).

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“Genocide” refers to the physical destruction of an entire group in whole or in part that has been targeted on the basis of its identity. This is not Israel’s objective in Gaza.​

Is Genocide Happening in Gaza? No. Israel is responding to a genocidal attack by Hamas.​

Israel’s actions reflect its desire to spare Palestinian civilians from harm, not to deliberately harm them.​

Hamas’ actions are designed to cause harm to Palestinian civilians and blame Israel ​

The “facts” of the genocide charge don’t add up​

Those who claim that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza not only misunderstand the legal definition of genocide and what the laws of war permit; they also base the charge on unsubstantiated claims.

It is unquestionable that many civilians in Gaza have died and even more have suffered immensely since October 7. However, there are so many “unknowns” with an important bearing on Israel’s conduct in this war that it is impossible to say with certainty that it is acting wrongfully.

• The number of “innocents” vs. terrorists that have died: This is impossible to know given that the Ministry of Health in Gaza is under the control of and susceptible to influence by Hamas, and does not separate innocent civilians from fighters in its announced death tolls.
• The circumstances in which numerous innocents have been killed in Gaza: This includes whether they died because of attacks carried out by the IDF or because of intentional or unintentional harmful actions by Hamas or other Palestinian armed groups. A key example is the explosion at Al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza City, which the U.S. and other governments have determined was caused by a failed rocket fired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad and not, as Hamas, the Hamas-controlled Ministry of Health in Gaza, and many other sources claimed, by the IDF.
• The nature of the military objective of attacks carried out by the IDF in which Palestinian civilians have died: Given that it is not possible for independent assessments to be conducted into whether a Hamas leader, tunnel, and/or weapons cache was present at the site of any specific IDF attack in Gaza, which Hamas still largely controls.

 

[MAD]

It’s extraordinary that you guys truly believe this.

Do you believe that Hamas is a jihadist terrorist group?

 

[OrangeTsar]

You’re free to think that, doesn’t change the fact you’re wrong. It’s not just about what has taken place between 10/7-present

If Israel doesn’t enable Hamas 10/7 doesn’t happen

So Israel MADE Hamas chose to do October 7? Does prior support from Israel absolve Hamas of responsibility for the massacre?
It is the same issue as gun control. The gun manufacturer isn’t responsible for how the purchaser uses it.

 

[Vol8188]

It’s extraordinary that you guys truly believe this.

IDF: passes out food to Palestinians
Hamas: murders Palestinians and steals their food

IDF: warns citizens to evacuate areas and specific buildings
Hamas: blocks roads to prevent them from leaving

IDF: has trials for soldiers who harm civilians
Hamas: openly calls for the death of their own people to promote international support for their cause

Doesn’t seem that extraordinary. Unless you’re just believing any random social media post you see about hot girls in tanks. Then I could see how easily one may become confused.

 

[just bob]

It’s extraordinary that you guys truly believe this.

The people of Gaza have gotten exactly what Hamas asked for.

 

[hog88]

It’s extraordinary that you guys truly believe this.

Do have any examples to say otherwise?

 

[Persian Vol]

No, I’m not suggesting they’re all complicit. I’m sure x number of them are. Knowing the exact value of x is impossible. But I am suggesting it’s disingenuous to come on here crying about all these dead journalists and healthcare workers without acknowledging that many of them were Hamas members. That’s the overall problem with your side. You’ll say “we agree Hamas is bad!”. Then openly deny that anyone is Hamas. It’s basically “they’re bad, but they also don’t exist”.

Clearly the fire isn’t inescapable as evidenced by the 2 million people currently alive in Gaza. Clearly there isn’t indiscriminate bombing as evidenced by the 2 million people currently living in Gaza.

It’s really hard to protect children’s whose parents refuse to protect them. Protect citizens ultimately is the responsibility of their government. Instead their government openly brags about using their blood for political purposes. But clearly it’s the other guys who are the problem

So let me get this straight…

You see over 100 journalists and 400+ healthcare workers killed, and your response is “Well, maybe some of them were Hamas, who knows.”

That’s your bar? That’s your logic? You admit you have zero evidence, but feel comfortable casting suspicion on dead medics and reporters, because it makes it easier to sleep at night while defending a military campaign that has flattened neighborhoods, wiped out entire families, and left tens of thousands of children orphaned.

And then you have the nerve to say the bombing clearly isn’t indiscriminate because 2 million people are still alive? What kind of logic is that? By that standard, the Rwandan genocide wasn’t so bad because a few million survived. The Holocaust wasn’t that bad either, right? Because plenty of Jews made it out. Do you hear yourself?

The idea that Hamas’ failure to protect civilians somehow absolves Israel’s military from turning schools, hospitals, and entire neighborhoods into rubble is not just morally bankrupt, it’s offensive to anyone with a functioning brain and even a shred of empathy.

You’re not making a point; you’re just trying to intellectualize the mass killing of civilians because admitting it’s wrong would shatter the fragile fantasy you’ve built to excuse it.

 

[Smokey123]

So Israel MADE Hamas chose to do October 7? Does prior support from Israel absolve Hamas of responsibility for the massacre?
It is the same issue as gun control. The gun manufacturer isn’t responsible for how the purchaser uses it.

nice straw man. Nowhere did I say or suggest Israel made them do it and what have I ever said that suggests Hamas doesn’t bare responsibility for it? I’ve stated quite the opposite. If people want to say none of this happens without 10/7, that’s fine I agree. It doesn’t change the amount of responsibility Israel had in allowing 10/7 to happen

Funding terrorism is NOWHERE CLOSE to the same as a gun manufacturer producing guns. Can we please stop with the ridiculous comparisons

 

[NashVol11]

You don’t give a **** about people dying.
You come here to argue about just about anything.
Sometimes against yourself.

Not once have you called for the hostages to be released. Not once have you called for Hamas to surrender to save lives. Not once have you condemned Hamas for the murder of their own.

Your crying about Israel on an anonymous message board is really showing the love.

Give me a break you childish hypocrite.

At least I’m honest about what I’m doing here. Which is poking inconsistent hypocrites like yourself

10/7 has been condemned a million times by everyone here. This post essentially says that people need to repeat your silly pro-Israel slogans or you'll play middle school games with them, which was my point already

 

[NashVol11]

The claim that “no army has done more to avoid civilian casualties than the IDF” is surely a joke.
You don’t get to obliterate half of Gaza’s infrastructure, displace nearly 2 million people, kill more children than any conflict in the 21st century and then ask for a gold star because you dropped flyers first.

This.

 

[Vol8188]

So let me get this straight…

You see over 100 journalists and 400+ healthcare workers killed, and your response is “Well, maybe some of them were Hamas, who knows.”

Not even remotely close. We specifically know some of them were Hamas.

That’s your bar? That’s your logic? You admit you have zero evidence, but feel comfortable casting suspicion on dead medics and reporters, because it makes it easier to sleep at night while defending a military campaign that has flattened neighborhoods, wiped out entire families, and left tens of thousands of children orphaned.

You’re making things up again. There’s very specific examples I cited such as the journalist who was involved in October 7th or the doctor who keeping hostages.

And then you have the nerve to say the bombing clearly isn’t indiscriminate because 2 million people are still alive? What kind of logic is that? By that standard, the Rwandan genocide wasn’t so bad because a few million survived. The Holocaust wasn’t that bad either, right? Because plenty of Jews made it out. Do you hear yourself?

You proclaimed the fire was inescapable as your way of justifying Hamas preventing civilians from fleeing. I pointed out it obviously isn’t.

The idea that Hamas’ failure to protect civilians somehow absolves Israel’s military from turning schools, hospitals, and entire neighborhoods into rubble is not just morally bankrupt, it’s offensive to anyone with a functioning brain and even a shred of empathy.

Failure would imply Hamas tried to protect civilians. Rather Hamas actually succeeded here.

If Hamas didn’t use schools, hospitals, and entire neighborhoods, you may have a valid argument. Seems anyone with a functioning brain would take those factors into consideration, would they not?

You’re not making a point; you’re just trying to intellectualize the mass killing of civilians because admitting it’s wrong would shatter the fragile fantasy you’ve built to excuse it.

Not much to respond to here. Given you ignored the obvious point in favor of personal attacks.

Out of curiosity: do you believe fighting a war in an urban area where your enemy intentionally tries to increase the number of civilian casualties is an easy task?

 

[MAD]

So let me get this straight…

You see over 100 journalists and 400+ healthcare workers killed, and your response is “Well, maybe some of them were Hamas, who knows.”

That’s your bar? That’s your logic? You admit you have zero evidence, but feel comfortable casting suspicion on dead medics and reporters, because it makes it easier to sleep at night while defending a military campaign that has flattened neighborhoods, wiped out entire families, and left tens of thousands of children orphaned.

And then you have the nerve to say the bombing clearly isn’t indiscriminate because 2 million people are still alive? What kind of logic is that? By that standard, the Rwandan genocide wasn’t so bad because a few million survived. The Holocaust wasn’t that bad either, right? Because plenty of Jews made it out. Do you hear yourself?

The idea that Hamas’ failure to protect civilians somehow absolves Israel’s military from turning schools, hospitals, and entire neighborhoods into rubble is not just morally bankrupt, it’s offensive to anyone with a functioning brain and even a shred of empathy.

You’re not making a point; you’re just trying to intellectualize the mass killing of civilians because admitting it’s wrong would shatter the fragile fantasy you’ve built to excuse it.

Again, how do I find your claims, give me a credible source, or should we just believe you because you say so?

 

[MAD]

10/7 has been condemned a million times by everyone here. This post essentially says that people need to repeat your silly pro-Israel slogans or you'll play middle school games with them, which was my point already

10/7 will continue while those taken that day are being held hostage.

 

[NashVol11]

So let me get this straight…

You see over 100 journalists and 400+ healthcare workers killed, and your response is “Well, maybe some of them were Hamas, who knows.”

That’s your bar? That’s your logic? You admit you have zero evidence, but feel comfortable casting suspicion on dead medics and reporters, because it makes it easier to sleep at night while defending a military campaign that has flattened neighborhoods, wiped out entire families, and left tens of thousands of children orphaned.

And then you have the nerve to say the bombing clearly isn’t indiscriminate because 2 million people are still alive? What kind of logic is that? By that standard, the Rwandan genocide wasn’t so bad because a few million survived. The Holocaust wasn’t that bad either, right? Because plenty of Jews made it out. Do you hear yourself?

The idea that Hamas’ failure to protect civilians somehow absolves Israel’s military from turning schools, hospitals, and entire neighborhoods into rubble is not just morally bankrupt, it’s offensive to anyone with a functioning brain and even a shred of empathy.

You’re not making a point; you’re just trying to intellectualize the mass killing of civilians because admitting it’s wrong would shatter the fragile fantasy you’ve built to excuse it.

He keeps doing the thing where if one journalist was allegedly Hamas, Israel had an excuse to kill hundreds of them. If one school or one hospital was allegedly (usually according to Israel) used by Hamas, then it's fine that Israel blew up dozens of them

 

[Orangeslice13]

Do have any examples to say otherwise?

Still waiting on any form of actual proof

 

[Orangeslice13]

10/7 has been condemned a million times by everyone here. This post essentially says that people need to repeat your silly pro-Israel slogans or you'll play middle school games with them, which was my point already

 

[MAD]

Hamas has never agreed to any plan that releases ALL the hostages and Israel has.
You might ask why?
It’s because the war keeps going and they stay in power as long as they have that leverage.

 

[Orangeslice13]

10/7 will continue while those taken that day are being held hostage.

And I’d also like the body of the wife of a friend, who was paraded around naked while bleeding from her ass as a war trophy, returned.

 

[hog88]

Still waiting on any form of actual proof

I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I wouldn't hold my breath.

It’s kinda like when the terrorist attack happened in Chattanooga. None of the local Muslim leaders would condemn the attack.
Then westboro Baptist shows up to protest the funeral of the police and military officers killed and every preacher from every church condemned them for it.

Some people have a belief system based on reality and others have a tribe they support.

 

[MAD]

Exactly what @Vol8188 has been saying. Israel is feeding the people in Gaza and Hamas is punishing them.

Gazan journalist Hamza al-Masri reports that Gazans returning from the GHF aid distribution center in Rafah are stopped by Hamas' Sahem Unit enforcers, stripped of the aid and their clothes, and beaten.

"...As soon as they reach the Mawasi area of Khan Younes or the Nuwairi Hill, groups calling themselves the "Sahem (Arrow) Unit" or "Hamas Security" emerge, arrest them, and strip them of everything they are carrying... even their clothes!
They are severely beaten, and anyone who objects or asks "why?" is shot in the foot and accused of being a "thief" or "collaborator."
When you ask these people: "Why are you doing this?"
They give you the cold answer: "Leadership instructions."

Watch the video
Here

الناشط حمزة المصري

#خاص #الناشط_حمزة_المصري مشهد يُمزّق القلب... نازحون منهكون من الألم والجوع، يسلكون طرق الموت متجهين نحو مواصي رفح، أو صوب ما يُسمى "المساعدات الأمريكية"، يجازفون بأرواحهم ليعودوا بـ طرد معلبات أو كيس دقيق يسد رمق أطفالهم. لكن المأساة لا تنتهي هنا... فما إن يصلوا إلى مواصي خانيونس أو تبة...

t.me

Or here

 

[MAD]