Israel vs Palestinians

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Vol8188 said:
Sure, terrorism will exist. But to that level? No.

I actually agree with you on the second part. But the people who cry most about ethnic cleansing typically wouldn’t have any concerns if it were Israelis being removed.

So is it a good thing if you have to remove people from their homes? Of course not. But war doesn’t always have good answers.
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Did the holocaust happen in Gaza?

I was being sarcastic on the 2nd part. I don’t base my moral compass off what other people’s concerns. If Israel lost this war and was ethnically cleansed it would be wrong. If Gaza gets ethnically cleansed it’s wrong. This shouldn’t be hard to agree to
 
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Smokey123 said:
You think Bibi wants a 2 state solution? Do you know why Hamas got the power they got?
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No one wants a two state solution any more except for naive westerners.
And yes, Bibi helped prop up Hamas in the beginning. You can’t predict the future.

Are you aware that United States basically founded and funded the Mujuhidin in Afghanistan to oppose the Soviet Union? The same organization that gave us Osama bin Laden?
You make the deals you need to make at the time. You can’t ever foresee the future consequences .
 
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Vol8188 said:
That’s not always true. But I’m sure you’re smart enough to know that. Seems like more of a willful ignorance here.
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I stand by what I said.

Are there “justified” wars? Yes. I still believe you have a moral obligation to not recklessly kill innocent civilians, when you fail to do so it’s hard to stand on any moral ground

Further more the way Israel has handled Gaza doesn’t just hurt Palestinian it also hurts Jews
 
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OrangeTsar said:
No one wants a two state solution any more except for naive westerners.
And yes, Bibi helped prop up Hamas in the beginning. You can’t predict the future.

Are you aware that United States basically founded and funded the Mujuhidin in Afghanistan to oppose the Soviet Union? The same organization that gave us Osama bin Laden?
You make the deals you need to make at the time. You can’t ever foresee the future consequences .
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Not just the beginning. All the way up until October 7th 2023. Hamas was propped up in the 80’s to be opposition to the 2 state solution because Palestinian authorities and PLO were pushing for it. acting like it was only a Palestinian rejection is laughable

And that’s wrong??? Funding terror makes you no better than the ones committing the terror. Why is this defended
 
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Smokey123 said:
I stand by what I said.

Are there “justified” wars? Yes. I still believe you have a moral obligation to not recklessly kill innocent civilians, when you fail to do so it’s hard to stand on any moral ground

Further more the way Israel has handled Gaza doesn’t just hurt Palestinian it also hurts Jews
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Israel is expected to:

Stop a war they didn’t start

Aid those that want to kill them

Make peace with those who don’t want it

Be the perfect victim and never fight back
 
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I gotta say. I find it hilarious the same people that complain about how pro Palestine won’t condemn Hamas enough are the same people that refuse to condemn Israel’s role in propping Hamas, Bibi funding them when they were on the brink of collapse and ignoring the warning signs of Oct 7th. Heck not just ignore it but defend it
 
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MAD said:
Israel is expected to:

Stop a war they didn’t start

Aid those that want to kill them

Make peace with those who don’t want it

Be the perfect victim and never fight back
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Huh? They shouldn’t aim to stop the war? Israeli and Palestinian should continue to die?

Aiding those that want to kill them is what caused Oct 7th. Which ironically is defended by plenty of pro Israel people

Bibi doesn’t want peace either
 
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Smokey123 said:
I don’t think killing civilians and destroying Gaza has helped Israel’s side. I think Bibi has only hurt Jewish and Israeli’s. Of course people will always be anti-Semitic but it seems like it has only exacerbated the problems people have with us and the problems in the Middle East
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Ya I think you and I beat that to death.
Siege and leveling most things intact and screening people you allowed back in as you go town by town was the way to go.
The stick works better with carrot at the end of it.
For those who argue it’s a slow process….we’re 2 years in
 
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Smokey123 said:
I don’t disagree. Pride events have nothing to do with either country and I would find “queers for Israel” protests would be idiotic too

Israel does recognize gay marriage tho and you can do video calls from someone ordained and the courts will recognize it
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Actually…
Israel recognizes gay marriage. Has gay and transgender people working in government and has a church on the government website that they will accept that preforms gay marriage.

The difference between Israel and Gaza are night and day on gay rights
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Actually…
Israel recognizes gay marriage. Has gay and transgender people working in government and has a church on the government website that they will accept that preforms gay marriage.

The difference between Israel and Gaza are night and day on gay rights
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That’s what I said. But I would still find “queers for israel” protests stupid

The church they accept is the video call right? Or is there another one?

Israel doesn’t have civil marriages in general
 
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Smokey123 said:
Did the holocaust happen in Gaza?

I was being sarcastic on the 2nd part. I don’t base my moral compass off what other people’s concerns. If Israel lost this war and was ethnically cleansed it would be wrong. If Gaza gets ethnically cleansed it’s wrong. This shouldn’t be hard to agree to
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Israel has over 2 million Arab/ palestianians that are Israeli citizens. Not real good at cleansing
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Ya I think you and I beat that to death.
Siege and leveling most things intact and screening people you allowed back in as you go town by town was the way to go.
The stick works better with carrot at the end of it.
For those who argue it’s a slow process….we’re 2 years in
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With no real signs of ending
 
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