Israel vs Palestinians

[NashVol11]

In the meantime while some focus on a stuffed animal or Superman.

Syria has nothing to do with this thread, I'm sure there is another thread for that

 

[just bob]

Obviously you’re not fully aware of the situation or intentionally being dishonest. There’s millions of Palestinian refugees across Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. Israel wouldn’t let them return which pissed off those countries, especially Jordan. They know the same thing will happen this time. 100 pilots from Gaza just left for a program in Indonesia and had to sign a waiver saying they may not be allowed to return.

"Palestinian". Conflating situations. Sounds like you're sure up to speed.

 

[MAD]

Don’t want Gaza bombed?
Live peacefully and don’t mass-murder Jews.

Don’t want Syria bombed?
Live peacefully and don’t mass-murder Druze.

But unfortunately Jihadists are gonna Jihad. If they stopped, there would be no conflict.

 

[Smokey123]

"Palestinian". Conflating situations. Sounds like you're sure up to speed.

Lol

 

[MAD]

Jihadis are the same in Syria
Jihadis are the same in Gaza
Jihadis are the same in Paris
Jihadis are the same in London
Jihadis are the same in NY
Jihadis are the same in Jerusalem
Jihadis are the same in Khabul
Jihadis are the same in Melbourne
Jihadis are the same everywhere

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[MAD]

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His defense of Hamas’ human shields is “What else can they do?" and then all blame is shifted to Israel. Apparently, if you’re weaker, using civilians as cover is fine. No solutions, just excuses.

Excusing of Hamas' human shield strategy is unserious and undermines his genocide narrative. This lazy and highly evasive excuse does two things.

First, it fully absolves Hamas of responsibility for the many civilian fatalities in Gaza. In this bizarre moral framework, being the weaker party means you bear no responsibility for civilian deaths in your territory. You are granted understanding, even sympathy, for violating the laws of war, for endangering two million civilians, and for taking no steps to protect them, as Hamas leaders openly admit. Hamas is supposed to be afforded a “fair shot” in fighting a more powerful army, and not to be blamed for the consequences to the civilian population. Then, 100% of the blame is placed on Israel, not just for civilian deaths, but for genocide.

Second, Bartov’s logic inadvertently undermines the genocide claim itself. He acknowledges that Hamas uses human shields because it is weaker, and admits that this tactic puts civilians at risk. Which exposes the absurdity: if Hamas didn’t embed among civilians, these deaths, along with the genocide claims, would largely disappear. In other words, if no human shield strategies were used, it would mean a quick Hamas defeat, far fewer civilian deaths, and no credible genocide claims. It’s remarkable that Bartov doesn’t follow his own logic to its obvious conclusion; because doing so would collapse the genocide narrative.

Scholars like Bartov refuse to place blame where it belongs. As if being the “weaker party” entitles you to fight in a way that systematically endangers your own people, and then demanding that your enemy fight under impossible constraints. And when asked for alternatives, many offer vague suggestions like “use special forces,” a laughable answer when dealing with more than 30,000 fighters dressed in civilian clothes and embedded in a 500km tunnel network across a densely booby-trapped urban battlefield. The “advice” reflects a total lack of military seriousness or expertise.

This is the hollowness at the heart of “genocide studies” today. It’s a field that postures as morally serious but cannot bring itself to confront the side that deliberately endangers its own civilians, boasts about it often, continues to say it will do 10/7 again and again, refuses to release hostages, and refuses to surrender.

Also showing the lack of seriousness: Gaza is NOT one of the most densely populated areas in the world, not even close. Tel Aviv is more dense. Major cities in the US like NY and Boston are more dense. The fact that he does not know this and uses the "density" claim in his reasoning further undermines his credibility.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Maybe maybe not. The 30 million a month was much more than the Islamic republic was giving though. PA cut off payments and was ready to take over Gaza

I disagree, Hamas is controlled by outside forces and will do what they’re told. The deal would likely include the PA taking over and a work towards a 2 state solution which Bibi doesn’t want

How would you?

Like I said from the beginning.
Siege warfare.
Bombing the place to the stone ages is counterproductive for any and all options long term.
No power, no water, no food till all hostages are returned, combined with bribes to those who help out.
Bring me a hostage and I’ll evacuate you and your family plus give you 10 million to start over elsewhere. Including citizenship in Israel like the millions of other Arabs that live in Israel. During the siege you move across the area and vet the people. As you move across you maintain a kill zone. Anyone try to cross to an area you clear is dead. No questions asked. More opportunities for Arabs to make money by providing information on where the tunnels are were Hamas is hiding. Where is the infrastructure. As you clear an area food, water, and power are all restored. Bonus money for selling out any Hamas shitheads that do manage to get through.

I’d also be almost completely done with the idea of a Palestinian state. I would work towards making Gaza the newest city in Egypt. Or at least a province co managed by them.

It would be cost effective but time consuming. Loss of innocence live would be minimal but nobody has the stomach for that.

 

[MAD]

 

[Orangeslice13]

Syria has nothing to do with this thread, I'm sure there is another thread for that

So you don’t care that people are dying?
Got it.

 

[MAD]

So you don’t care that people are dying?
Got it.

He isn’t the only one.


BREAKING: Massive protests and encampments happening now at Harvard, Columbia and UC Berkeley, in response to the massacre of Druze by the Syrian regime!

No Jews, No News

 

[MAD]

When you lie or spread blood libels, you will be exposed.



There are zero Jews in Congress with dual citizenship to Israel.

Dan Bilzerian has dual citizenship with Armenia.

 

[Smokey123]

Like I said from the beginning.
Siege warfare.
Bombing the place to the stone ages is counterproductive for any and all options long term.
No power, no water, no food till all hostages are returned, combined with bribes to those who help out.
Bring me a hostage and I’ll evacuate you and your family plus give you 10 million to start over elsewhere. Including citizenship in Israel like the millions of other Arabs that live in Israel. During the siege you move across the area and vet the people. As you move across you maintain a kill zone. Anyone try to cross to an area you clear is dead. No questions asked. More opportunities for Arabs to make money by providing information on where the tunnels are were Hamas is hiding. Where is the infrastructure. As you clear an area food, water, and power are all restored. Bonus money for selling out any Hamas shitheads that do manage to get through.

I’d also be almost completely done with the idea of a Palestinian state. I would work towards making Gaza the newest city in Egypt. Or at least a province co managed by them.

It would be cost effective but time consuming. Loss of innocence live would be minimal but nobody has the stomach for that.

Did israel not cut off water and power the day after October 7th? I’m sure Hamas has years supply of food and water in their tunnels that they hoard from their citizens. I do like the idea of offering bribes and evacuations

Egypt doesn’t want Gaza just like Jordan doesn’t want the West Bank

 

[NashVol11]

So you don’t care that people are dying?
Got it.

 

[TVOLS]

Seems Israel turned up the heat on the Syrian border today, more than I normally see anyhow.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

Weird, I never once thought of Israel or Gaza while watching it and even now I'm trying to wrap my head around any similarities and I just don't see it.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Did israel not cut off water and power the day after October 7th? I’m sure Hamas has years supply of food and water in their tunnels that they hoard from their citizens. I do like the idea of offering bribes and evacuations

Egypt doesn’t want Gaza just like Jordan doesn’t want the West Bank

For a short period they did but I’m not giving it back till certain criteria is met. It’s carrot stick with me. How long does it take of me rewarding the people who comply to have them turn on Hamas. The more they turn the better their situation becomes.
After the vetting process Egypt and Jordan will be singing a different tune. They don’t want the hassle but a cleaned up situation is a different story.

None of that matters. That’s not the direction anyone in charge on either side is headed.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Ya, but you’re complaining about people dying being discussed while in different posts complaining about people dying. Both involve the IDF.

A couple more posts and you’ll argue against your original point…..again

 

[Orangeslice13]

Seems Israel turned up the heat on the Syrian border today, more than I normally see anyhow.

Nashvol doesn’t want you talking about that.

 

[MAD]

So you don’t care that people are dying?
Got it.

Doesn’t want to say anything about the horrific acts and murders done to the Druze it Syrian because it might get misinterpreted…….




In the meantime if it involves Israel/Jews….no problem. He is an expert on what a Zionism means.

"Bent over backwards for these people" by shooting at fishermen so they can't fish:



harassing people for saying anti-Zionism isn't anti-semitism when it isn't:



cutting off electricity, food, water and supplies while killing thousands of Palestinian citizens (but Hamas made them do it blah blah blah)

60 year old chant that existed well before Hamas and has nothing to do with Hamas became offensive starting in 2007 because of Hamas, got it. Like I said, not long until any support for Palestine whatsoever becomes "offensive" using the exact same tortured logic.

"You think the citizens should have water? Well then you want Hamas to have water to fuel them to kill all Jews, that's anti-Semitic"

All of this is ridiculous. Criticizing Israel is not "anti-Semitic" in any way and people who claim otherwise are going out of their way to be victims

Saying Israel shouldn't exist isn't saying murder every person who is Jewish in Israel, and I think most people saying this know that. The Nazis actually did commit genocide, as opposed to this hypothetical one

Anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are the "same thing," after all

People really want to say you’re anti-Semitic if you’re not a Zionist lol

"Yes, most Jews in America are white" when 95% of them are was too reasonable, so SugarVol had to try and twist it into "Every Jew in Israel and Palestine is white"

Just another way to cheerlead and claim Israel bears no responsibility for anything that happens. Even if Israel DID nuke Gaza or exterminate all Palestinians people here would say “zero fault or responsibility for Israel, Hamas started it. If you think it’s bad you hate Jews”

Worse than the football forum on gameday

“I agree killing Palestinians is horrible, but there is simply no clear way (for example…not killing them) to achieve justice. In fact, Israelis feel that killing Palestinians (which I just said is horrible) IS justice.”

Lol alright. If your opinion is this conviction-less drivel that’s fine, just don’t lecture people on MLK when you clearly didn’t get his message. Many people at the time didn't see "clear justice" in the Civil Rights Movement either, those people just got awfully quiet when public opinion shifted away from them

Don’t think it has anything to do with “heckling Jews,” likely about not enabling and running cover for another genocide at the same time as we condemn and remember the previous one.

In fact, looking at the video, it’s people standing with a sign that says “Stop Genocide” - that’s not “heckling” in the slightest

You are trying way too hard to find something that isn’t there lol. You think anti-Zionist Jews want all Jews killed?

Someone who is “supporting Israel in general” right now, on the issue of whether or not it’s okay to kill tens of thousands of civilians, IS supporting killing Palestinians. Opposing that isn’t anything close to some call to kill Jews

Don’t use dishonest words then. Seems like that’s your word game, not mine.

Would be pretty hypocritical to go around saying “Never Again” while enabling a genocide right now as we speak, yes? Shouldn’t be difficult to understand but tribalism and villainizing those who disagree is much easier

Setting aside her being in the IDF herself, she’s spread plenty of Zionist propaganda justifying the continued “war” including screening some of it in LA

No celebrity is going to say anything like the below, but screening propaganda videos produced by a military actively committing a genocide and running cover for them more than maybe any other celebrity (I said celebrity, Michael Rapaport) is going to get you that label

They said "Free Palestine" was antisemitic and counted every protest against the genocide in Gaza as an antisemitic incident

Putting people protesting a genocide in the same discussion as the KKK is hilarious

Many of the protestors are Jewish themselves, so you do seem to be an expert on horse droppings

There largely is no longer a Gaza so this talking point turned out to be garbage as well

At some point you will realize that comparing infant body count is not a good argument for someone supporting Israel

In fact, being upset about "the genocide of whites" based on a conspiracy theory and not about upwards of 40K dead civilians means one probably shouldn't be talking about what's "right" tbh

Hitler explicitly, in his own words, wanted to eliminate Jews and it had nothing to do with Israel or its government so this makes no sense

50-70% Zionists and the other 30-50% is "tokenism" according to this board lol

Israel is trying to cleanse Gaza of Palestinians, I have bad news about which side of the Nazi fight that would put them on

 

[NashVol11]

Ya, but you’re complaining about people dying being discussed while in different posts complaining about people dying. Both involve the IDF.

A couple more posts and you’ll argue against your original point…..again

Saying this thread isn't about Syria shouldn't even be possible to misinterpret but you're trying your best

 

[NashVol11]

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Doesn’t want to say anything about the horrific acts and murders done to the Druze it Syrian because it might get misinterpreted…….




In the meantime if it involves Israel/Jews….no problem. He is an expert on what a Zionism means.

Pasting a bunch of irrelevant things into a post and thinking it's a good point is why this thread has gotten worse since you started spamming propaganda in it

 

[MAD]

Ya, but you’re complaining about people dying being discussed while in different posts complaining about people dying. Both involve the IDF.

A couple more posts and you’ll argue against your original point…..again

Can’t cliticize jihadists in Syria without putting a dent in the Gaza stance.

 

[MAD]

Pasting a bunch of irrelevant things into a post and thinking it's a good point is why this thread has gotten worse since you started spamming propaganda in it

What propaganda?

I’ll own it.

 

[NashVol11]

Can’t cliticize jihadists in Syria without putting a dent in the Gaza stance.

That doesn't even make sense, Israel gets criticized for killing civilians not "jihadists." Seems like Israel folks just want this to be the "Ignore Gaza, Israel Is Actually the Good Guys" thread