Israel vs Palestinians II

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#2,577
McDad said:
Literally no body is even trying to make a case for any regional country or government that is on par or better than Israel. Gaza being governed by gazans is defacto rule by terrorists.

The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Socrates (probably)
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It's because they can't but refuse to admit it.
 
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EasternVol said:
That they're human should be sufficient data. They're also well educated. Let them work without outside meddling and especially without another country's boot on their neck.
It seems that if you cared about results you wouldn't want to recreate a setup that's been an utter failure.
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read these words carefully.

please provide the data it has been effective at any time for any reasonable amount of time. I am begging you, here.
 
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#2,580
EasternVol said:
What data suggested the people who founded Israel could form a minimally functional government?
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Why discuss hypotheticals that never materialized when we have 80 years of data of what is actually happening?

Please provide the data that Gaza can form and administrate a functional government.
 
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#2,586
McDad said:
Literally no body is even trying to make a case for any regional country or government that is on par or better than Israel. Gaza being governed by gazans is defacto rule by terrorists.

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Oh so they're all terrorists? Are terrorists bad? Because a whole lot of Israel's founding fathers were terrorists. Yet you want Israel to control Gaza. You sure are confusing sometimes.
 
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Ok.
If you don't like another country coming in to provide functional government, I have another idea.

Israel already supplies some of the water to Gaza. Israel should make a push to provide clean, safe drinking water to all 2.1M Gazans. Then, slowly add estrogen to the water. Over a few decades, the estrogen would calm the radical men and prevent pregnancies. The poplation ages without replacement. Gaza fades away slowly and with no death or war.

How's that for a plan?
 
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#2,588
McDad said:
Ok.
If you don't like another country coming in to provide functional government, I have another idea.

Israel already supplies some of the water to Gaza. Israel should make a push to provide clean, safe drinking water to all 2.1M Gazans. Then, slowly add estrogen to the water. Over a few decades, the estrogen would calm the radical men and prevent pregnancies. The poplation ages without replacement. Gaza fades away slowly and with no death or war.

How's that for a plan?
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I like it. Way to think outside of the box.
 
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EasternVol said:
They think of themselves as a meritocracy / technocracy and prioritize pragmatics over partisanship. The terms liberal and conservative as a rule aren't part of their political discussions.
On the positive side, rights are maintained pretty much equally across ethnic and income lines and have increased over the last several years. That said, it's not a bastion of free expression but neither is it terribly oppressive. The government does control traditional media and filters the web, but those so inclined can go online and see what news sources they want with a VPN.
For its relative lack of liberty and high education levels, the people don't rock the boat much. The government's good at providing inducements in return for support. The country's really really rich so they can afford to do that.
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They, as many in that region, are a conservative "live and let live society" if that makes any sense.
 
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EasternVol said:
Oh so they're all terrorists? Are terrorists bad? Because a whole lot of Israel's founding fathers were terrorists. Yet you want Israel to control Gaza. You sure are confusing sometimes.
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Only confusing to the hopelessly obtuse.

Oh so they're all terrorists?
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Never said that.
Are terrorists bad?
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self explanatory.
a whole lot of Israel's founding fathers were terrorists
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inconsequential. I am not concerned with the history, I am concerned with the future.
Yet you want Israel to control Gaza
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or any functional government
 
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#2,596
McDad said:
Why discuss hypotheticals that never materialized when we have 80 years of data of what is actually happening?

Please provide the data that Gaza can form and administrate a functional government.
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You reject a hypothetical yet insist on another hypothetical. Let's play fair here.
There was no 'data' suggesting Israel could form a functional government before they did. They did so as an independent state, not under control of an adversary. The Palestinians haven't had that opportunity.
 
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McDad said:
Then you cannot read well or your comprehension is garbage.

What I said, and what you are unable to counter, is Israel is the best government in the region compared to the others.
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No, you gave four criteria that you said Israel meets and rights was one of the four. Peace was another but then your sense of humor is well noted.
 
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Hey @EasternVol , if control of gaza to a governement with a good track record is a non starter, how about this:
a panel of 13 representatives from the top 13 governments are appointed as consultants to teach the elected leaders of Gaza how to govern? The panel has final say but as the Gaza gpvernment gets their footing underneath them, the panel decreases oversight year over year.

That way there is no occupation and Gazan's learn to self govern.
 
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McDad said:
Ok.
If you don't like another country coming in to provide functional government, I have another idea.

Israel already supplies some of the water to Gaza. Israel should make a push to provide clean, safe drinking water to all 2.1M Gazans. Then, slowly add estrogen to the water. Over a few decades, the estrogen would calm the radical men and prevent pregnancies. The poplation ages without replacement. Gaza fades away slowly and with no death or war.

How's that for a plan?
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Cool take on genocide bro.
It's about as workable as your other ideas.
 
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EasternVol said:
You reject a hypothetical yet insist on another hypothetical. Let's play fair here.
There was no 'data' suggesting Israel could form a functional government before they did. They did so as an independent state, not under control of an adversary. The Palestinians haven't had that opportunity.
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The problem with your position is data. Palenstinians in Israel have a better life (on the four metrics) than palestinians in Gaza. Even though Israel is far from perfect.

There is no need to discuss the what ifs from decades ago because it didn't happen. How many years has Gaza been "governing" themselves?
 
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