Israel vs Palestinians II

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Orangeslice13 said:
I said very early the only hope for a 2 state was a rapid end. The longer this went the less likely it became. It’s as much the fault of Hamas as Bengi (and you know I’m no Bengi fan)
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I definitely agree. Hamas never wanted a 2 state solution anyways, after they took control it was off the tables and then the hopes of it ever becoming a possibility again just kept getting slimmer and slimmer
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
2.2 million Arab Israelis think ethnic cleansing isn’t the issue
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Of course, which is why it’s debatable and it technically wasn’t explicitly stated in their plan. It’s not a good sign when former cabinets members are saying Bibi is taking it down a bad path of cleansing Gaza, and current members say things like “Gaza will be completely destroyed with its inhabitants fleeing to other countries”. Or when Bibi himself endorses trumps plan of Ethnic cleansing

Realistically do you see Israel leaving Gaza and the 2 million gazans return back to their homes?
 
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MAD said:
The IDF are advancing rapidly across Gaza City, taking minimal casualties and exploiting their overwhelming firepower, manpower, and air superiority to render all resistance suicidally futile.

As in previous instances when Hamas had the opportunity to stand and fight against the IDF, their forces are collapsing entirely. Once again, the casandras who warned of a quagmire have been proven wrong. Those who claimed Hamas had recruited 25,000 new men and returned to their pre-war strength—relying entirely on pro-Hamas propaganda—should remember their mistake next time. There were many indications not only that Hamas had failed to rebuild, but that they had been reduced to just a few thousand armed men, with ample evidence that they were also short of weapons and ammunition. They have been entirely cut off from resupply for 2 years now.

The war will not end with Hamas losing Gaza City—which, at the current pace, will happen within weeks—but Israel will then be able to establish an internal perimeter and freeze the situation. Hamas may still hold hostages, but Israel will hold the stronger hand. With their capital lost forever and largely destroyed, no one will credibly claim Hamas as the victors.

Israel could easily and justifiably declare the Gideon’s Chariots operation concluded within weeks and shift to a purely counter-terror posture against Hamas remnants hiding among the civilian population in the humanitarian zone. Fighting out of that zone, or from the few remaining towns in the center of the strip, is far less advantageous for Hamas than making a stand in Gaza City. The logical conclusion is that they didn’t fight there because they couldn’t—or because their remaining fighters largely melted away.

A side note: there is a certain comedy in the prospect that the Greta-branded Jihadi-Marxist flotilla, currently meandering fractiously across the Mediterranean, may reach Gaza only to find the IDF firmly in control of the port. At the present pace, it’s a race to see who gets there first.

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Just curious, what's the point of copy pasting the entire tweet as a post as if it's your writing, and attaching the tweet to your post?
 
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The dangerous duplicity of Mahmoud Abbas. In his speech addressing the UN General Assembly he wore a “key” pin – an unmistakable symbol of his goal of erasing Israel.

While Hamas called the October 7 massacre the “Al-Aqsa Flood”, Abbas wants his own flood under the guise of two states: millions of descendants of Arabs who left Israel in 1948 pushed into Israel to erase the only Jewish State.

History matters: in 1948 the Arab world declared war on Israel, after which many more Jews were expelled from Arab countries to Israel than Arabs who left Israel.

It is long overdue for Arab states to grant citizenship to the descendants of those who left in 1948.

 
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MAD said:
The dangerous duplicity of Mahmoud Abbas. In his speech addressing the UN General Assembly he wore a “key” pin – an unmistakable symbol of his goal of erasing Israel.

While Hamas called the October 7 massacre the “Al-Aqsa Flood”, Abbas wants his own flood under the guise of two states: millions of descendants of Arabs who left Israel in 1948 pushed into Israel to erase the only Jewish State.

History matters: in 1948 the Arab world declared war on Israel, after which many more Jews were expelled from Arab countries to Israel than Arabs who left Israel.

It is long overdue for Arab states to grant citizenship to the descendants of those who left in 1948.

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If Zionists can come back to their 'homeland' after many hundreds of years, why can't Palestinians after 70 some?
 
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MAD said:
The dangerous duplicity of Mahmoud Abbas. In his speech addressing the UN General Assembly he wore a “key” pin – an unmistakable symbol of his goal of erasing Israel.

While Hamas called the October 7 massacre the “Al-Aqsa Flood”, Abbas wants his own flood under the guise of two states: millions of descendants of Arabs who left Israel in 1948 pushed into Israel to erase the only Jewish State.

History matters: in 1948 the Arab world declared war on Israel, after which many more Jews were expelled from Arab countries to Israel than Arabs who left Israel.

It is long overdue for Arab states to grant citizenship to the descendants of those who left in 1948.

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“Left”
 
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MAD said:
The dangerous duplicity of Mahmoud Abbas. In his speech addressing the UN General Assembly he wore a “key” pin – an unmistakable symbol of his goal of erasing Israel.

While Hamas called the October 7 massacre the “Al-Aqsa Flood”, Abbas wants his own flood under the guise of two states: millions of descendants of Arabs who left Israel in 1948 pushed into Israel to erase the only Jewish State.

History matters: in 1948 the Arab world declared war on Israel, after which many more Jews were expelled from Arab countries to Israel than Arabs who left Israel.

It is long overdue for Arab states to grant citizenship to the descendants of those who left in 1948.

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It is clear that both groups want to kill each other. All these people arguing moral platitudes in this thread are just stupid. Neither side is right. Just stay out of it.

Or, you could just go with my idea and give Palestine/Judah and most the Middle East back to the Romans and resurrect the old Roman\Byzantine Empire. That was the last time that the Middle East was worth anything and had a stable, civilized culture.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Of course, which is why it’s debatable and it technically wasn’t explicitly stated in their plan. It’s not a good sign when former cabinets members are saying Bibi is taking it down a bad path of cleansing Gaza, and current members say things like “Gaza will be completely destroyed with its inhabitants fleeing to other countries”. Or when Bibi himself endorses trumps plan of Ethnic cleansing

Realistically do you see Israel leaving Gaza and the 2 million gazans return back to their homes?
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I see them being allowed to return to their homes but I think ultimately it will be annexed and governed by Israel.
So….4 million Arab Israeli citizens
 
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Since the pro-Hamas brigade ignored this post, i'll ask it again:

well it'd be nice to know even if the Palestinians gave up the hostages, and voluntarily rid themselves of Hamas for good, WHAT exactly would they want to end their war against the Jews and Israel?

They have been offered their own state ship at least 5 times and were left alone inside Gaza to do what they wanted.

SO the pro-Hamas idiots here need to explain WHAT the Palestinians actually want and will accept for "peace"
 
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Overnight, Israel Police’s elite Counterterrorism Unit (YAMAM), together with the IDF and ISA, eliminated two armed Islamic Jihad terrorists in the Tamun area who were preparing an imminent attack. The joint forces acted swiftly to neutralize the threat and will continue operating to protect Israeli civilians.



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