Israel vs Palestinians II

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Orangeslice13 said:
And from the article itself

“Aspects of the video raise questions about whether it shows this shooting, however. Weapons experts who examined it were divided over whether a projectile visible in several frames was a bullet from a sniper rifle. The images show a man hit in the back, while Youssef says Mohammed was shot from the front.

But if what Raab and Mohammed’s relatives say is true…….”


Once again……a whole lot of condemnation from the pro Hamas dipsticks and there proof says the evidence is inconclusive and it’s all hearsay and speculation.


SSDD
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That's where I'm at, in so many words.

To be clear: if this story is true, it's an outrage. Those responsible and their superiors should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

But I'm now completely incapable of reaching outrage on first blush when it comes to the media's reporting on this conflict. When the media spend months decrying the brutal killing of a child that happens to be alive and well (and he and his mother are being protected by Israel because his very survival is an inconvenience for Hamas), I feel that I have to wait for the other shoe to drop on every single story.
 
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Persian Vol said:
Seriously, get help.
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Don’t try to indirectly justify terrorism by calling the people defending themselves from said terrorists “child killers” without providing the factual context needed to appropriately judge the situation. And while you’re at it, stop gaslighting people.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It's all true. You can't handle the truth. I didn't say "all" fine. I said "relatively," as in good compared to now.

How can you say Israel hasn't occupied it for over 40 years? Might as well say Israel doesn't exist. Wtf are you talking about?

Thank you for proving early you cannot handle a good faith discussion.
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It’s not, and you saying so doesn’t make that a fact. “Relatively” is quite a f’ing word to use. It entails perception and comparison, or what I would refer to as stretch of the imagination. Interesting that you’d compare it to now instead of the hundreds of years before then that were also indeed not fine.

If you did your research you would know that Israel officially has not occupied that area since 2005 (I mistyped, meant 20, not 40 - don’t call me a child killer for it), despite the mainstream news world wrongfully referring to those areas as occupied. There are actual occupied territories. Gaza had not been one of them for a while.
 
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MAD said:
Theory:
Trump baited Hamas leaders into a Doha kill-room—the same room where they’d celebrated and praised Allah for October 7.
Qatar knew. Israel knew. Trump knew. This wasn’t luck—it was chess. Missiles didn’t miss; bodies didn’t vanish into thin air.
Qatar betrayed Hamas on September 9th, just as they betrayed Israel on October 7th. Why now? Hamas became dead weight—rigid, turning Qatar from a mediator profiting off chaos into a loser.
Qatar wanted out, quietly. Trump wanted to end the war. Israel wanted to end Hamas. Their interests aligned.
Trump knew Hamas wouldn’t accept a hostage deal without staying in power. He gave them a false sense of security to gather, based on their past patterns. When the fat cats assembled, Israel struck once, cleanly.
American condemnation? Pure theater. Qatar ditched Hamas the second they stopped being leverage and became a liability. Qatar couldn’t eliminate them alone—they needed Israel to close the chapter, letting Qatar play victim instead of complicit villain. Hamas thought they’d survive by playing the hostage card, forcing Israel to surrender and using global outrage to make the U.S. president accept them as legitimate. They miscalculated.
Gaza’s gone. Leverage is gone. Violence has nowhere left to run. End.

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How did Qatar betray Israel on October 7?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
And from the article itself

“Aspects of the video raise questions about whether it shows this shooting, however. Weapons experts who examined it were divided over whether a projectile visible in several frames was a bullet from a sniper rifle. The images show a man hit in the back, while Youssef says Mohammed was shot from the front.

But if what Raab and Mohammed’s relatives say is true…….”


Once again……a whole lot of condemnation from the pro Hamas dipsticks and there proof says the evidence is inconclusive and it’s all hearsay and speculation.


SSDD
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There are the sniper's own words.
 
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Adam Sandler said:
It’s not, and you saying so doesn’t make that a fact. “Relatively” is quite a f’ing word to use. It entails perception and comparison, or what I would refer to as stretch of the imagination. Interesting that you’d compare it to now instead of the hundreds of years before then that were also indeed not fine.

If you did your research you would know that Israel officially has not occupied that area since 2005 (I mistyped, meant 20, not 40 - don’t call me a child killer for it), despite the mainstream news world wrongfully referring to those areas as occupied. There are actual occupied territories. Gaza had not been one of them for a while.
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Israel withdrawing their military and settlers didn't end the occupation since Gaza never gained control of their borders, ingress and egress.
 
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Shame on every media outlet, every pod-caster who featured Tony Aguilar in their shows to spew his lies and after this revelation did not make an official apology.

This includes:
Pierce Morgan
Tucker Carlson
Mario Nawfal
Max Blumenthal
Hasan Piker
Senator Chris Van Hollen



On July 28, a man named Anthony “Tony” Aguilar went on a small, YouTube-streamed Zoom call and, toward the end of an hourlong conversation, told a story that set the internet ablaze.Aguilar, a former contractor with the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), a U.S.- and Israel-backed aid organization, recounted a heart-wrenching incident that took place in May, in the early days of GHF’s operations: A Gazan boy he called Amir had walked 12 kilometers to reach the aid site, thanked Aguilar for the food, kissed his hand—and moments later, was gunned down by the IDF.Within hours of the Zoom call’s publication, Quincy Institute co-founder Trita Parsi shared an excerpt of it on X. His accompanying post, which focuses on the plight of Amir and erroneously states the boy is five years old, has been viewed more than five million times. The story spread like wildfire.Within a few days, international outlets turned social clips into news hits: France 24 aired an exclusive with Aguilar; Al Jazeera centered coverage on “Amir.” In the U.S., Tucker Carlson interviewed Aguilar on his show—twice in a single week; MSNBC’s weekend prime-time program aired the special report headlined “10-Year-Old Palestinian Boy ‘Gunned Down’ After Receiving Food Aid.” Aguilar even brought a printout of the boy’s photo to Capitol Hill to brief Senator Chris Van Hollen in person.Before the basic facts of Aguilar’s sensational testimony could be verified, the narrative had been established: Israel murdered an innocent boy.Through August, the tale metastasized across languages and platforms—TikTok edits, AI-generated cartoons, aggregator accounts—repeating the same beats: the arduous 12-kilometer walk, the hand kiss, the fatal shots.Then the core claim collapsed. In Tanya Lukyanova's latest video report, she looks at how a lie spread around the world—and how it slowly unraveled.
 
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n_huffhines said:
What he said is actually worse than my vague portrayal of it, IMO. He justified all Israeli violence against innocent Palestinians because his perspective is that Hamas "started it" on 10/7. He literally said that Israel bears no responsibility. Nevermind that Israel killed Palestinians regularly in the years leading up to 10/7. A year before 10/7 they killed a bunch of kids and tried to blame it on Hamas. Finally admitted it when faced with facts. Why didn't Kirk or anybody on the right think that murderous aggression justified Hamas retaliation? They are fine with it when the shoe is on the other foot.

And if we take his point to its logical conclusion, then one can just argue that the liberal who shot Kirk is absolved because he was retaliating for the conservative killing two Dems in June, because to him that's the starting point.

Nope, better just to not condone any form of political violence.

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Just went in and killed harmless Arabs without provocation in those prior years, did they? And in "a year before 10/7", why did IDF launch Operation Breaking Dawn? Can you tell us about the role of PIJ (Islamic Jihad Palestine) in that attack on Israel?

The operation was sparked by the killing of 17 Israelis between March and May 2022.
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Here's a Wiki excerpt:
According to the Israeli military, approximately a third of the 449 rockets fired by the Palestinians on Friday and Saturday failed to cross the boundary with Israel and fell inside Gaza.[71]

The IDF said that "several people including children" were killed as a result of a Palestinian rocket launch failure in Jabalia, while Al Jazeera reported 4 children and the BBC multiple children dead at that location, saying that they were unable to independently verify the Israeli claim.[67][72][73]

The Times of Israel reported on 8 August that the IDF believed PIJ "was responsible for at least 12 of the 15 deaths of children reported", 4 in Jabaliya on Saturday, 5 more also in Jabaliya and 3 others elsewhere, on Sunday, and that the military "did not produce any evidence for its claims related to the second two incidents."[74]

On 8 August, the Associated Press reported that missiles fired by militants in Gaza that fell short may have resulted over a dozen Palestinian deaths. AP reporters examined the two explosions sites in Jabaliya that resulted in twelve fatalities, and found support for the claim that they were misfires.[26] On 10 August, Al Jazeera reported that the father of one of the victims denied the Israeli claim in respect of the first Jabaliya incident and that Israel was still investigating the second.[27] Subsequently, the IDF admitted responsibility for the second Jabaliya incident that killed 5 children.[75] On 13 August, Haaretz reported that misfires killed 14 civilians, including seven children.[29]

On 24 August, Al-Monitor published that the PIJ killed 15 Gazan civilians. The Al-Monitor journalist spoke with residents and journalist in Gaza. A journalist said he saw with his own eyes the local missile fall on the massacre in the Jabalia camp. A nearby resident told Al-Monitor that "Everyone knows that the missile that fell on Saturday was a local missile, but no one dares talk about it". Palestinians on social media said PIJ rockets were faulty and old. Those interviewed called for an investigation into the PIJ missile strikes that killed civilians in Gaza.[28]

According to Tor Wennesland, the United Nations Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process, Palestinian militants fired around 1,100 rockets of which "some 20 percent" fell within the borders of the Gaza strip.[30] According to the IDF, it intercepts rockets headed towards Israeli populated areas with a 97% success rate using Iron Dome.[68]

On 9 August, the Hamas Interior ministry, issued sweeping restrictions on journalists in Gaza forbidding the reporting of misfires killing Palestinians and instructing journalists to blame Israel. Following discussions with the Foreign Press Association, the restrictions were officially reversed by Salama Marouf, director of the government media office in Gaza. However, despite being reversed, they signal Hamas' expectations on media coverage and "could have a chilling effect on critical coverage" in Gaza .[clarification needed] [76]. 2022 Gaza–Israel clashes - Wikipedia
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Here's a Jewish Virtual Library excerpt:
Over several months, Israel gathered intelligence on the Iranian-funded and trained Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) terror organization. On August 1, 2022, Israel arrested Bassam al-Saadi, the PIJ commander in Judea and Samaria. The phone of Ziyad Nakhalah, PIJ’s operator in Lebanon, was hacked, and Israel learned the PIJ wanted Iran to provide millions of dollars to support a revenge attack. Iran agreed, and PIJ planned sniper attacks, the launch of Kornet anti-tank missiles at Israeli vehicles near the Gaza border, and an assault on a civilian bus.

Israel launched a preemptive attack – Operation Breaking Dawn – on August 5. Israeli Air Force (IAF) jets used a Spice missile that prevents a building from collapsing after being hit to kill PIJ commander Tayseer al-Jabiri. An attack drone took out Abdallah Kadum on his way to order the Kornet strike, and the rest of his unit was later killed by IDF forces. A third top commander (Khaled Mansour) responsible for constructing attack tunnels was dead in another IAF strike.

As in other operations, Israel took precautions to avoid civilian casualties. According to the IDF, “during the elimination of Khaled Mansour, children were identified on site of the attack and hence it was postponed several times. Later, when the children were not in the area, the attack was carried out successfully.

In footage released by the IDF Spokesperson’s Unit, voices of soldiers can be heard saying: “I saw kids in the trees running around, cancel the attack.”

This recurred twice afterward: “There are still kids in the garden that is in front of the house and several kids close to the house.” The IDF conducted the strike on the fourth attempt after ensuring no children were in the area.

The IDF hit 170 targets during the fighting, destroying 45 long-range rocket launchers and 17 observation points along the Gaza border. Israeli forces also apprehended suspected members of PIJ in the West Bank.

An estimated 1,100 rockets were launched by Palestinian Islamic Jihad in the 56 hours of fighting, at least 200 malfunctioned and exploded within the Gaza Strip, and the Iron Dome intercepted 380.

Palestinian officials claimed that 49 Gazans were killed (including those from terrorist rockets), 27 in airstrikes. Israel says the total number of casualties was 35. PIJ admitted that 12 of its fighters were killed. At least 11 civilians died from errant rockets. The first hit a group of civilians in the Jabalia refugee camp, killing seven, including four children. The second killed a Hamas policeman and his three children.

As in the past, Israel was immediately blamed for attacks that resulted in civilian casualties. This was the case following the reported death of children in Jabalia. Israeli officials, however, presented evidence that no IDF action had been conducted in the vicinity and released a video showing a PIJ rocket had landed there.

One Gazan admitted weeks later he went to Jabalia and that “everyone knows the missile...was a local missile, but no one dares talk about it, especially to the media and the press.”

A Gaza journalist confirmed the account: “I saw with my own eyes a local missile strike. We only want the truth and a clear investigation into the matter. They want us not to talk about this matter, because if we talk, they describe us as collaborators with the occupation.”

Palestinians said 360 civilians in Gaza were wounded. No Israelis were killed; 47 civilians were taken to hospitals, including three injured from shrapnel, 31 hurt while seeking shelter from rockets, and 13 suffered anxiety attacks. The daily routine of thousands in the area surrounding Gaza was disrupted as many left their homes and others were forced to spend time in bomb shelters.

Hamas, which stayed out of the fighting, initially prohibited journalists operating out of Gaza from attributing these deaths to the misfires and ordered that they be blamed on Israel. Following an international media uproar, the policy was revoked. Operation Breaking Dawn
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Odd both of them are so similar in nature while your take is the odd man out.
And odd how that cycle plays out "in the years leading up to 10/7" that you refer to.

Isn't it?
 
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If any good can somehow come out of the horrible senseless murder of Charlie Kirk, it’s been the exposing of the whole “Free Palestine” movement and their agenda.
 
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You can want 2 state solution in one hand and **** in the other and see which is better for you……
As long as Hamas is in charge and would rather their people die than recognize Israel…….not to mention their complete lack of ability to care for themselves……it ain’t happening.

www.cbsnews.com

U.N. General Assembly overwhelmingly votes for a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict

The United States, Israel's closest ally, reiterated its opposition to the New York Declaration and the General Assembly resolution endorsing implementation of a two-state solution.
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