Israel vs Palestinians II

[MAD]

Update from International Association of Genocide Scholars: The IAGS issued a letter admitting anyone can join & vote. Still no explanation for why nearly 1 in 5 voting members come from Iraq.


Why are there a disproportionate amount of Genocide Scholars living in Iraq?



Who can join…Artists, advocates, Nazi’s, Hamas Members, anyone etc….

 

[Smokey123]

Despicable

Nothing about that was “antisemitic hate”

 

[MAD]

Remember when our useful idiots here were salivating about this recently as they continue their rhetoric from all the propaganda they consume from their Pro Hamas sources, Antisemetic sources, news sources.

 

[Smokey123]

He’s the GHF whistleblower

 

[Adam Sandler]

You said this

"Imagine calling it the execution of children (presumed to be innocent) as a facade for the defending of hate and terrorism."

And the implication is that he really wants to defend hate and terrorism, not defend children. You're implying they are just a chess piece and that they don't matter to either side.

IDK who you are, but this thread is full of people who can't fathom that we would choose innocent children over the Israeli regime. The idea that we just care about innocents, and that's it, is not a satisfactory explanation. They baselessly conclude our motivation is to defend terrorism and hate. You're doing exactly the same thing as them.

People who claim to be disciples of Christ ITT are not only condoning war crimes and the mass murder of innocents, but also they can't bring themselves to accept that any of the opposition has pure motivations in defending the innocent.

No that’s not the implication. The implication is that in this scenario you can not do one (condemn Israel for killing a child terrorist) without indirectly doing the other (supporting terrorism).

You’re not lending credit to how sophisticated and cruel these forms of terrorism are. You have absolutely no idea. What a charmed life to sit here and judge not having to deal with the consequences and likely not ever have been on the other end of such hate and persecution.

And to Hamas, they are a chess piece or they wouldn’t wage them as such. To Israelis they are not, but that also does not make their (the terrorist child) safety more important than the people they are threatening with lethal force. Can you even fathom what they have to go through every day having to make that judgement? And then live with it? The terror never ends.

And They are NOT innocent. They are children. But they are not innocent. They once were, but they’re not anymore. Is that their fault? No! And it’s sure as hell not Israel’s either. It’s Hama’s, but here we are talking about Israel killing children and not Hamas for using them for terror. So maybe stop criticizing Israel for being in an impossible situation and start criticizing Hamas for using children for terrorism, lest you get accused of indirectly supporting terrorism.

And in regards to your last paragraph, I employee your love for people, children, and nonviolence. But if you want to not be accused of indirectly supporting terrorism, lend a solution. I emplore you to. Because the way I see it you are looking at the world through lenses that are distorted and not reflective of reality and the reality is that it is a horrible lose lose situation that terror and propaganda is driving and you are doing nothing to condemn that. Instead, you are condemning those who are victims of that.

Do better, child of Christ. Go the extra effort to actually understand the situation. Pray for the souls of children who have been rotted. Pray for those who have not yet that they are freed from their terrorist leaders. And pray for those on the other side that are wrongly victims of it and also wrongly having to be the ones who defend themselves and simultaneously fix the problem, themselves.

 

[Adam Sandler]

@Adam Sandler

Let's start fresh, since I don'k know you. Let's start here:

Things were relatively fine* between Israel and the Arab states until 1967 when Israel attacked them and took Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem by force, subjugating the Palestinians there. They've been illegally occupying these territories ever since, ipso facto, Israel has been committing war crimes continuously for nearly 50 years....we all hate Hamas, but these sins are the climate that created Hamas. Hamas is just a reaction to war crimes.

Does Gaza have a right to defend itself against these war crimes?

*aside form border skirmishes, which is pretty standard stuff

False premises. They were not fine. The history of Jewish and Israeli production dates much farther back.

And Israel has not occupied that area for nearly 40 years.

I’m sorry but the conversation does not start there on those terms because they are not true.

 

[Adam Sandler]

Nothing about that was “antisemitic hate”

You cannot separate the state of Israel and Judaism. The people of Israel are not necessarily all Jewish but it exists as a state for Jewish people. A decree to eradicate the state of Israel and/or Jews goes hand in hand even if you say it does not. We are far enough removed from the origins that you have been led to believe such, and it is merely semantics that have evolved to further justify hate and terrorism. I’m sorry to break that truth to you if you don’t believe it or did not know it previously.

 

[Smokey123]

You cannot separate the state of Israel and Judaism. The people of Israel are Jewish. A decree to eradicate the state of Israel and/or Jews goes hand in hand even if you say it does not. We are far enough removed from the origins that you have been led to believe such, and it is merely semantics that have evolved to further justify hate and terrorism. I’m sorry to break that truth to you if you don’t believe it or did not know it previously.

lol

 

[Adam Sandler]

lol

Some of us have the luxury of being ignorant to history beyond a generation or two ago and it shows. I’m jealous.



“lol”

 

[Smokey123]

Some of us have the luxury of being ignorant to history beyond a generation or two ago and it shows. I’m jealous.



“lol”

I too am jealous of people who have never had to experience real antisemitism

 

[MAD]

The Nazis Said They Were Victims Too

They're operating from the exact same playbook, shifting the conversation from a just war against an aggressor guilty of horrible crimes to an indiscriminate killing of innocent women and children and all the actions that led to the current situation completely forgotten.



This rhetoric is indistinguishable from the rhetoric deployed on an hourly basis by Palestine supporters.

If I was a Palestine supporter, I would think twice if I was using the same justifications and victim playing tactics the Nazis used. And I'd certainly stop doing it.

 

[Adam Sandler]

I too am jealous of people who have never had to experience real antisemitism

What is real antisemitism? Versus… fake antisemitism?

Is it my best friend at the age of 16 during a discussion of each others faiths telling me I’m going to hell for being Jewish and there’s nothing I can do about it?

Is it my car being painted “dirty Jew” at age 19.

Is it many of my friends in college making Jew and holocaust jokes forgetting I was right next to them and me having to pull them aside to explain to them privately (so as not to embarrass them or have the group tell me I’m being too sensitive) how hurtful they actually are?

Is it the feeling over the past two years that the next time I go to synagogue could be the day it is attacked by some insano with a gun as has happened with increasingly regularity in the US over the past 2 years?

Is it my synagogue having to pay to employ armed guards during our holiest holidays, out of fear?

Is it my employees daughter being told she is a bad person by a fellow 8-10 year old (yes it starts that early and earlier no doubt) because that child’s grandma that still lives in the middle east said as much when said she shouldn’t be in the international school she’s in because they accept Jews there?

Is it being chastised and judged as if I have not experienced it because lord knows it doesn’t exist here, heck it probably doesn’t even exist at all does it?

Please tell me what real antisemitism looks like so I and others know and I can point it out if they don’t.

 

[Smokey123]

What is real antisemitism? Versus… fake antisemitism?

Is it my best friend at the age of 16 during a discussion of each others faiths telling me I’m going to hell for being Jewish and there’s nothing I can do about it?

Is it my car being painted “dirty Jew” at age 19.

Is it many of my friends in college making Jew and holocaust jokes forgetting I was right next to them and me having to pull them aside to explain to them privately (so as not to embarrass them or have the group tell me I’m being too sensitive) how hurtful they actually are?

Is it the feeling over the past two years that the next time I go to synagogue could be the day it is attacked by some insano with a gun as has happened with increasingly regularity in the US over the past 2 years?

Is it my synagogue having to pay to employ armed guards during our holiest holidays, out of fear?

Is it my employees daughter being told she is a bad person by a fellow 8 year old because that child’s grandma that still lives in the middle east said she shouldn’t be in the international school she’s in because they accept Jews there?

Is it being chastised and judged as if I have not experienced it because lord knows it doesn’t exist here, heck it probably doesn’t even exist at all does it?

Please tell me what real antisemitism looks like so others know and can point it out if they don’t.

great examples of anti semitism. Not “disrupt US f35 supply chain”

 

[MAD]

 

[EasternVol]

Because there are two of them, and their message this enters the realm of sedition. They could be facing 20 years.

Sedition against....?

 

[KB5252]

Sedition against....?

The US.........openly calling for revolt against the US government.......... In uniform?

 

[EasternVol]

No that’s not the implication. The implication is that in this scenario you can not do one (condemn Israel for killing a child terrorist) without indirectly doing the other (supporting terrorism).

You’re not lending credit to how sophisticated and cruel these forms of terrorism are. You have absolutely no idea. What a charmed life to sit here and judge not having to deal with the consequences and likely not ever have been on the other end of such hate and persecution.

And to Hamas, they are a chess piece or they wouldn’t wage them as such. To Israelis they are not, but that also does not make their (the terrorist child) safety more important than the people they are threatening with lethal force. Can you even fathom what they have to go through every day having to make that judgement? And then live with it? The terror never ends.

And They are NOT innocent. They are children. But they are not innocent. They once were, but they’re not anymore. Is that their fault? No! And it’s sure as hell not Israel’s either. It’s Hama’s, but here we are talking about Israel killing children and not Hamas for using them for terror. So maybe stop criticizing Israel for being in an impossible situation and start criticizing Hamas for using children for terrorism, lest you get accused of indirectly supporting terrorism.

And in regards to your last paragraph, I employee your love for people, children, and nonviolence. But if you want to not be accused of indirectly supporting terrorism, lend a solution. I emplore you to. Because the way I see it you are looking at the world through lenses that are distorted and not reflective of reality and the reality is that it is a horrible lose lose situation that terror and propaganda is driving and you are doing nothing to condemn that. Instead, you are condemning those who are victims of that.

Do better, child of Christ. Go the extra effort to actually understand the situation. Pray for the souls of children who have been rotted. Pray for those who have not yet that they are freed from their terrorist leaders. And pray for those on the other side that are wrongly victims of it and also wrongly having to be the ones who defend themselves and simultaneously fix the problem, themselves.

You seem a little vexed.

 

[EasternVol]

The US.........openly calling for revolt against the US government.......... In uniform?

'Rise up' doesn't necessarily mean 'violently overthrow the government'. Maybe she meant we should affect change using the ballot box.

 

[KB5252]

'Rise up' doesn't necessarily mean 'violently overthrow the government'. Maybe she meant we should affect change using the ballot box.

It is time to take back this country from corrupt politicians...... Rise up?

In uniform.

That's not a call to vote at the ballot box. That's a call to arms.

As someone who hates both sides of the political spectrum and agree they are corrupt......... Her statement was foolish and brave. That's a call to arms.

 

[Adam Sandler]

You seem a little vexed.

Only a little.

 

[MemphisVol77]

Sedition against....?

It is time to take back this country from corrupt politicians...... Rise up?

In uniform.

That's not a call to vote at the ballot box. That's a call to arms.

As someone who hates both sides of the political spectrum and agree they are corrupt......... Her statement was foolish and brave. That's a call to arms

If their offense is actionable, do they face criminal court or court-martial? Both?

 

[KB5252]

If their offense is actionable, do they face criminal court or court-martial? Both?

Because of the unform i think court martial

 

[Persian Vol]

No that’s not the implication. The implication is that in this scenario you can not do one (condemn Israel for killing a child terrorist) without indirectly doing the other (supporting terrorism).

You’re not lending credit to how sophisticated and cruel these forms of terrorism are. You have absolutely no idea. What a charmed life to sit here and judge not having to deal with the consequences and likely not ever have been on the other end of such hate and persecution.

And to Hamas, they are a chess piece or they wouldn’t wage them as such. To Israelis they are not, but that also does not make their (the terrorist child) safety more important than the people they are threatening with lethal force. Can you even fathom what they have to go through every day having to make that judgement? And then live with it? The terror never ends.

And They are NOT innocent. They are children. But they are not innocent. They once were, but they’re not anymore. Is that their fault? No! And it’s sure as hell not Israel’s either. It’s Hama’s, but here we are talking about Israel killing children and not Hamas for using them for terror. So maybe stop criticizing Israel for being in an impossible situation and start criticizing Hamas for using children for terrorism, lest you get accused of indirectly supporting terrorism.

And in regards to your last paragraph, I employee your love for people, children, and nonviolence. But if you want to not be accused of indirectly supporting terrorism, lend a solution. I emplore you to. Because the way I see it you are looking at the world through lenses that are distorted and not reflective of reality and the reality is that it is a horrible lose lose situation that terror and propaganda is driving and you are doing nothing to condemn that. Instead, you are condemning those who are victims of that.

Do better, child of Christ. Go the extra effort to actually understand the situation. Pray for the souls of children who have been rotted. Pray for those who have not yet that they are freed from their terrorist leaders. And pray for those on the other side that are wrongly victims of it and also wrongly having to be the ones who defend themselves and simultaneously fix the problem, themselves.

You need help.

 

[NCFisher]

This is why Israel kills filmmakers.

Hind Rajab film premieres at Venice amid tears, ‘free Palestine’ chants

The docudrama, which recounts the final plea of the five-year-old Gaza girl, premieres amid tears.

www.aljazeera.com

Yeah, Israel wantonly kills filmmakers; it's such a boost to the image. Or is it because they just don't like people clapping for extended periods?

The howling in your head has reached crescendo.

 

[Adam Sandler]

You need help.

For saying someone with a weapon in their hand is not innocent?

Ok.

Why don’t you just change your username to Iranian Vol so more people know the slant you’re bringing. You’re not fooling me. And I’m not phased by your gaslighting. Or your denial of what Hamas is doing. I need help, gimme a f’ing break. If I need help with anything it’s helping the world understand the inherently antisemitic lense that exists and standing up to people like you. Your people that want to eradicate those that don’t bend to their f’ed up religious and world views need help.