Israel vs Palestinians II

[Smokey123]

Here is my whole post. I stand by what I said.
When I posted it, I meant the Palestinians are complicit with Hamas, and none have helped to free any hostages.

Obviously if someone wants to take it literally, feel free.

There are no innocent lives in Gaza,
Don’t talk to me about starvation, humanitarian aid.
Hamas made a starving hostage dig his own grave on video.
You saw it.
You remained silent.
They are starving, they are torturing, humiliating.
Sexually brutalizing and murdering Israeli hostages.

And you and the others are….But yeah, yeah but Israel.
SHUT UP.

THIS IS ALL ON HAMAS
Laughing, mocking, soulless.


Because of Hamas, people will die, many people will die.

Why would it not be taken literal when you doubled down and said it 2 more times?

 

[Ritzwatch]

I just saw a news story that Israel was planning to resume operations in Northern Gaza and notified residents to move south before the operations started again.

Seems like a weird way to commit genocide.

 

[MAD]

This is nuts.


EXPOSED: A leaked document reveals that Reporters without Borders & Avaaz have secured the participation of around 150 media outlets from some 50 countries, alongside journalists and press freedom organisations, instructing them to publish the same message, on the same day

 

[MAD]

I just saw a news story that Israel was planning to resume operations in Northern Gaza and notified residents to move south before the operations started again.

Seems like a weird way to commit genocide.

On the other hand, Hamas was trying their hardest to get the Gazans to stay. Thankfully they listened to the IDF instead.
Here is a thought Hamas, release the hostages.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Oooh

Huff also thinks kill ice agents is the morally correct thing to do.
He’s messed up.

 

[Orangeslice13]

So I take it you still feel that there are no innocent lives in Palestine?

You mean Gaza?

 

[MAD]

It doesn't matter if you're basketball fans or not:

The Israel national basketball team surprises and humiliates the favored French team in the EuroBasket (after the French crowd booed during the playing of the Israeli anthem).

Al Jazeera claims genocide.

 

[Persian Vol]

Read what I just posted and make your own opinion.

My opinion is that you hate all Palestinians and that no one is innocent, unless you want to tell me otherwise.

 

[n_huffhines]

Not only did Hamas offer all the hostages back, they offered to no longer govern Gaza.

 

[MAD]

My opinion is that you hate all Palestinians and that no one is innocent, unless you want to tell me otherwise.

I don’t hate Palestinians and there are innocent Palestinians.

 

[n_huffhines]

It doesn't matter if you're basketball fans or not:

The Israel national basketball team surprises and humiliates the favored French team in the EuroBasket (after the French crowd booed during the playing of the Israeli anthem).

Al Jazeera claims genocide.

Israel is murdering children. Gtfoh with basketball, omg

 

[Orangeslice13]

Israel is murdering children. Gtfoh with basketball, omg

Hamas murders its own children and you don’t say ****.
GTFO trash bag

 

[Ritzwatch]

Not only did Hamas offer all the hostages back, they offered to no longer govern Gaza.

I bet Israel wouldn’t walk away from Hamas surrender discussions.

I understand why they walk away from “ceasefire” talks. And, why they don’t want to release thousands of prisoners in exchange for the hostages.

Israel is winning. Matter of time. How much suffering the citizens living in Gaza must endure is totally dependent on Hamas right now.

Release the hostages. Surrender.

That is all that must be done to end this war.

The only other option is for Hamas leaders to give their Avas a cyanide pill and shoot themselves while biting their own capsule.

 

[volfanhill]

Not only did Hamas offer all the hostages back, they offered to no longer govern Gaza.

They demanded the release of terrorists

They didn't offer anything.

Give me my people back or I will bring utter hell to you.

 

[n_huffhines]

They demanded the release of terrorists

They didn't offer anything.

Give me my people back or I will bring utter hell to you.

Did Israel tell you that they were terrorists? And you believe them? That negotiator didn't say they were terrorists.

Nothing? What are you talking about?

Why do you think Israel is the only party justified in defending itself? Why don't you think Israel has an obligation to the people they are occupying?

 

[volfanhill]

Did Israel tell you that they were terrorists? That negotiator didn't say they were terrorists.

Why do you think Israel is the only party justified in defending itself? Why don't you think Israel has an obligation to the people they are occupying?

I think Hamas came and kidnapped a bunch of their people. Do you think the people Hamas is asking for back are just regular people? You agree Hamas is a bunch of terrorists. But you think they are asking for the innocent people back? That's about the most naive bs I've ever read. Israel is at total war. Israel has done plenty wrong. The first thing they did wrong was not just taking all this land decades ago. Its how we've done things since the start of man kind.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Did Israel tell you that they were terrorists? And you believe them? That negotiator didn't say they were terrorists.

Nothing? What are you talking about?

Why do you think Israel is the only party justified in defending itself? Why don't you think Israel has an obligation to the people they are occupying?

Sure. Let’s say 10/7 was self defense. That escalated things dramatically. So they also get to reap the rewards of that action.

 

[n_huffhines]

I think Hamas came and kidnapped a binchnof their people.

But what about before that? You can't be fair and act like this started on 10/7. I am pretty sure you avoided my question about Israel killing 15 children a year before 10/7 and they blamed Hamas and then finally admitted they did it. This is me asking you again, does Gaza have a right to defend itself?

Do you think the people Hamas is asking for back are just regular people?

You know that Israel is holding 600 prisoners without charging them? In civil society, we believe in habeus corpus. They can hold you for 6 months without charging you and repeat, over and over. Israel should definitely give them up. Israel should counter that they will not return whatever fraction of the 4,000 Palestian prisoners convicted of violence. Why does the negotiation end because Hamas asked for something that Israel didn't want to give up? It's because Israel doesn't want a deal.

You agree Hamas is a bucnunof terrorists. But you think they are asking for the innocent people back?

Yes. Why would they demand only terrorists be returned and not innocents? LOL

Israel is at total war. Israel has done plenty wrong. The first thing they did wrong was not just taking all this land decades ago. Its how we've done things since the start of man kind.

Jesus, dude. Are you for real? Israel took all the land in 1967, literally decades ago. They started a war, took all the land, and they have been occupying it ever since. You have no understanding of the conflict, apparently. Things probably would have been relatively OK if it weren't for that atrocity.

And I totally reject your idea that this is how things work. For example, we didn't take all of Mexico in the Mexican-American war, and things turned out fine between us. Peace deals that are kept are how history actually "works." You're talking about where history fails, bro. Hamas is just a reaction to decades of occupation.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Sure. Let’s say 10/7 was self defense. That escalated things dramatically. So they also get to reap the rewards of that action.

^^^^^^^^^^^^
That self defense angle isn’t the flex you seem to think it is

 

[n_huffhines]

@volfanhill This is what happened:

The USSR told the Arab States that Israel was arming up for an attack, so the Arab states started bolstering their defenses. Israel said, Look everybody, those states that have no chance against us are going to start a war with us. And then started striking them with missiles. The war lasted a week, Israel beat their ass, and Egypt and Jordan were so freaked out, they surrendered the West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem just like that.

The reason it's called an illegal occupation is because by international law, you're not allowed to move your own civilians into an occupied territory.

International law generally prohibits acquiring territory by force, even in self-defense. So this is another reason people who understand the laws consider Israel to be war criminals carrying on their crimes now for 50 years.

We saw what Germany did, and what the rest of history held for us, and we decided that we were going to take a stand against these evils. The 4th Geneva convention in 1949 codified what we think is wrong, and Israel is violating these tenets. International law is weak. It's only as strong as the powerful nations that support it. The western states who have supported Israel are weakening rule of law. We have backed Israel all the way, enabling decades of a reign of terror over Palestinians, and when the Palestinians fight back, we help Israel commit genocide.

The almost-2 decades in between the original war and 1967 are almost undoubtedly the most peaceful time in their history. Border skirmishes ain't ****, and good diplomacy could've turned that into good neighbors over time. FWIW:

 

[MAD]

Palestinian Authority: Pay terrorists first! Then teachers (if anything's left)!! | PMW Analysis

The PA is stingy with teachers’ pay because Pay-for Slay comes first

t.co

 

[Ritzwatch]

(Pablum, Balderdash and Pure Bunk), then....

Hamas is just a reaction to decades of occupation.

How is that working out for them?

If well, Carry On.

If Poorly, Maybe try something different for a change.

If this is really a war that has been going on since 1967, Israel looks like it is about to end it. Those of us who truly care about life should celebrate that.

 

[MAD]

It has begun and each and every news outlet will be exposed.
This is what we keep saying.
Read all the newspapers that are complicit feeding you your anti-Israel propaganda.

150 Media Outlets to Stage Anti-Israel Campaign Coordinated by NGOs, Leaked Docs Show​

A leaked strategic document has exposed a coordinated international media campaign designed to pressure news outlets into publishing synchronized anti-Israel content on September 1st, meant to inaccurately portray Israel as systematically targeting journalists in Gaza and barring press freedom.

The campaign, orchestrated by Reporters Without Borders (RSF) and advocacy group Avaaz, involves approximately 150 media outlets across 50 countries in what organizers describe as a "world-first" coordinated newsroom action. According to the Hamas-tied Palestinian Information Center, outlets that signed on include: “Al Jazeera, The Independent, +972, Local Call, The Intercept, Mediapart, L’Humanité, Forbidden Stories, il Fatto Quotidiano, El País, RTVE, Daraj, Mada Masr, Le Desk, and L’Orient-Le Jour (Lebanon), along with numerous outlets across Europe, Latin America, Africa, and Asia.”

150 Media Outlets to Stage Anti-Israel Campaign Coordinated by NGOs, Leaked Docs Show

Critics argue that outlets operating based on pre-written scripts, standardized templates, coordinated global timing, and unified hashtags, represents the antithesis of independent journalism

jewishonliner.org

 

[MAD]

Beautiful