ISIS Takes Control of Mosul

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VolsNSkinsFan said:
so how fast will Baghdad fall? July 4th? Labor day? They are only a 100 miles or so and they have $450 Million in cash, abandoned armored vehicles and now a 300K BPD refinery
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I think the question is...

How long before we send troops back in?

You know it's on the table right now.
 
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hog88 said:
Don't think Obama will do it. I'd bet he won't and hope he doesn't.
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He's a lame duck President with bad headline after bad headline coming his way.

What at this point does he have to lose?
 
#80
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Grand Vol said:
I think the question is...

How long before we send troops back in?

You know it's on the table right now.
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President Obama, May 27, 2014:

"The bottom line is that it's time to turn the page on more than a decade when so much of our foreign policy was focused on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq," Obama said in Rose Garden statement. "In addition to bringing our troops home, this new chapter in American foreign policy will allow us to redirect some of the resources saved by ending these two wars to respond more nimbly to the changing threat of terrorism, while addressing a broader set of priorities around the globe."

Nimbley, bimbley. . . .
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
i know 2 people who plunked down $100K for dinars. They asked me if i made a good investment
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I had a young E-3 toss down about a grand at a bazaar on what he was told was Iraqi Dinar. "I'm going to be rich!"

Until I showed him a picture of Saddam Hussein that matched the currency.
 
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37L1 said:
President Obama, May 27, 2014:

"The bottom line is that it's time to turn the page on more than a decade when so much of our foreign policy was focused on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq," Obama said in Rose Garden statement. "In addition to bringing our troops home, this new chapter in American foreign policy will allow us to redirect some of the resources saved by ending these two wars to respond more nimbly to the changing threat of terrorism, while addressing a broader set of priorities around the globe."

Nimbley, bimbley. . . .
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You know where you went wrong?

You quoted Obama...
 
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#87
Grand Vol said:
He's a lame duck President with bad headline after bad headline coming his way.

What at this point does he have to lose?
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What's he have to gain? Nothing and instability in the ME works towards his green energy goals.
 
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#88
Velo Vol said:
What comprises Iraqi air power these days?
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#89
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SergeantVol said:
The whole region is a big ****e sandwich. The country should have never existed in the first place but those kooky europeans had to draw their lines where it does not belong.

I think the Iraq government should utilize the Kurds as a group. Grant them more autonomy and a bigger share in the central government. Recognize northern Iraq as Kurdistan. Once this is done they can utilze Kurdish militias and the PKK to pacify the area.
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Kurdistan will never be an independent state, too many players are against it (Turkey, Iran, Syria, etc).
 
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Velo Vol said:
What comprises Iraqi air power these days?
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Just pulling from wiki sources (I know);

Apparently they have one F-16 D Block/52 jet and are scheduled to receive their full order of 36 by 2018. The source says the first 24 were supposed to be delivered early 2014. Also seems the air force operates 6 Mi-35s (not counting any Army helios) as well.
 
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hog88 said:
What's he have to gain? Nothing and instability in the ME works towards his green energy goals.
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Hog, I'm not sure if you're aware of it or not, but you're using common sense.

Remember the central figure to this discussion and see if your answer sounds like common sense.
 
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#94
Grand Vol said:
Hog, I'm not sure if you're aware of it or not, but you're using common sense.

Remember the central figure to this discussion and see if your answer sounds like common sense.
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It happens from time to time.
 
#95
#95
VolsNSkinsFan said:
so how fast will Baghdad fall? July 4th? Labor day? They are only a 100 miles or so and they have $450 Million in cash, abandoned armored vehicles and now a 300K BPD refinery
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After taking Tikrit they are now 112 miles away from Baghdad.
 
#97
#97
Obama needs to get all Americans out of there now, we don't need anymore hostage swaps.
 
#98
#98
Burhead said:
Iraq army capitulates to Isis militants in four cities | World news | The Guardian

Not sure that would happen under Ba'athist Iraq...
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Until you've actually been over there and seen the hell those people lived through under the Ba'ath regime, I don't think you need to be making any sort of implications it would have been better.

Which is exactly what you are implying right now. Attempting to say without our involvement, none of this would have happened. It's the Middle East. A complete and utter **** hole that continues to get regimes knocked off and new ones installed. Whether it's Iraq this week or Egypt next week, leadership falls, insurgencies ensue and power gets consolidated by the winning party. Don't even try to link this into the US involvement unless you know for a fact what the Shia and Kurds went through before we took that lunatic out of power and see it was NECESSARY to do.

There is no such thing as a stable government in the Middle East save Israel. So just don't even try to say things would have been different if we hadn't removed Saddam from power.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Until you've actually been over there and seen the hell those people lived through under the Ba'ath regime, I don't think you need to be making any sort of implications it would have been better.

Which is exactly what you are implying right now. Attempting to say without our involvement, none of this would have happened. It's the Middle East. A complete and utter **** hole that continues to get regimes knocked off and new ones installed. Whether it's Iraq this week or Egypt next week, leadership falls, insurgencies ensue and power gets consolidated by the winning party. Don't even try to link this into the US involvement unless you know for a fact what the Shia and Kurds went through before we took that lunatic out of power and see it was NECESSARY to do.

There is no such thing as a stable government in the Middle East save Israel. So just don't even try to say things would have been different if we hadn't removed Saddam from power.
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I'm talking about 30k soldiers deserting and not even attempting to fight back...

The fact of the matter is I support throwing Saddam out of power, what I don't support was us joining in.
 
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Burhead said:
I'm talking about 30k soldiers deserting and not even attempting to fight back...

The fact of the matter is I support throwing Saddam out of power, what I don't support was us joining in.
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And this would have happened less than a month after we took Saddam out of power had we not been there to stabilize the place. I know it sure looked like we were getting our ass handed to us, but it only looks that way.

Several of us on here have hinted over these discussions that there is a lot more going on than you know about. And you have to trust is when we say there was a lot more going on that you don't know about. And if we weren't there, I'd hate to think of what it would look like right now.
 
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