Is there probable cause for an investigation?

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Based on all of the reports thus far, the probable cause that is cited by the NCAA is the hostesses who traveled to Byrnes and waved a sign. How can it be determined that they were "recruiting" if the sign that they were showing didn't mention a University or a recruits name? It is a violation to recruit off campus, but is there any evidence that what these girls did was actually recruiting?
 
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What you do is go to any high school game where a Bama, Florida, USCjr, Georgia recruit is playing and hold up a sign saying "Come to ________". According to this NCAA review, it would be enough probable cause to warrant a look at. These are some of the questions that need to be asked:

Can they identify who the girls were and are they sure they were Ut hostesses?
If so, can they prove that UT sent them to the school?
Does the reportee have anything to gain from the accusations?
Is the reporting due to retribution or personal?
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Based on all of the reports thus far, the probable cause that is cited by the NCAA is the hostesses who traveled to Byrnes and waved a sign. How can it be determined that they were "recruiting" if the sign that they were showing didn't mention a University or a recruits name? It is a violation to recruit off campus, but is there any evidence that what these girls did was actually recruiting?
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I'm not sure but I think I read that the sign said "Come to Tennessee" or something like that
 
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This is all no big deal---but, it's great PR for Lane and UT!!!! Like Hollywood, all news is good.
 
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Um, I think the sign said "Come to Tennessee", I guess that could have been referring to UTM and the girls were actually a part of the Skyhawk Pride Group.
 
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CountVolcula said:
What you do is go to any high school game where a Bama, Florida, USCjr, Georgia recruit is playing and hold up a sign saying "Come to ________". According to this NCAA review, it would be enough probable cause to warrant a look at. These are some of the questions that need to be asked:

Can they identify who the girls were and are they sure they were Ut hostesses?
If so, can they prove that UT sent them to the school?
Does the reportee have anything to gain from the accusations?
Is the reporting due to retribution or personal?
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This.

I'm going to start going to high school games, waving signs that say go to Florida/South Carolina/Georgia etc.
 
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gorockytop101 said:
I'm not sure but I think I read that the sign said "Come to Tennessee" or something like that
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Maybe it wouldnt have looked so bad if they put "go to tennessee" instead. That wouldnt really mean it was a student/alum/faculty. Come to tennessee does sound like something someone would say that is affiliated with the university.
 
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UTHorsey said:
This.

I'm going to start going to high school games, waving signs that say go to Florida/South Carolina/Georgia etc.
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too bad Oscar Smith HS flamed out in the playoffs or I could get bama in some trouble too.
 
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gorockytop101 said:
I'm not sure but I think I read that the sign said "Come to Tennessee" or something like that
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Right, Tennessee is a state, not a University. The university is called "The University of Tennessee". Not the same. And the sign was not directed to a specific player. How can it be considered recruiting if you're not targeting a recruit?
 
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gorockytop101 said:
I'm not sure but I think I read that the sign said "Come to Tennessee" or something like that
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:eek:hmy: ...sounds like a state to me. Perhaps an investigation should be launched into the activities of the Tennessee state tourism board.
 
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There isn't. Don't know how much of a difference it makes, but the hostesses are employees of the admissions office, not the athletic department.
 
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VolFan32 said:
There isn't. Don't know how much of a difference it makes, but the hostesses are employees of the admissions office, not the athletic department.
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It doesn't make a difference. The NCAA doesn't need "probable cause." They aren't policemen. Besides, even if they did need probable cause, all they have to do is state that the probable cause is all of the secondary violations this year.
 
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Vol423 said:
It doesn't make a difference. The NCAA doesn't need "probable cause." They aren't policemen. Besides, even if they did need probable cause, all they have to do is state that the probable cause is all of the secondary violations this year.
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All 6 of them? Well then the NCAA would have to investigate Georgia 6 times because they had 36 in the same time period.
 
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VolFan32 said:
There isn't. Don't know how much of a difference it makes, but the hostesses are employees of the admissions office, not the athletic department.
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From what I understand, they are considered representatives of the university.
 
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If you are a student, faculty, donor, etc. You are considered a rep. of the school. I know this because of a friendship I had with a former player. There were questions because we became friends while he was a senior in high school and I was a donor. Nothing came of it, but I was told I could not even give him a ride unless our friendship was prior to him starting high school or it could be considered a violation and the school could get in trouble. Even though the school knew nothing about it.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Based on all of the reports thus far, the probable cause that is cited by the NCAA is the hostesses who traveled to Byrnes and waved a sign. How can it be determined that they were "recruiting" if the sign that they were showing didn't mention a University or a recruits name? It is a violation to recruit off campus, but is there any evidence that what these girls did was actually recruiting?
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there is a review taking place which will gather information that leads to an investigation or nothing at all. it is a fact gathering review at this point to see if enough to investigate
 
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KGVOL said:
If you are a student, faculty, donor, etc. You are considered a rep. of the school. I know this because of a friendship I had with a former player. There were questions because we became friends while he was a senior in high school and I was a donor. Nothing came of it, but I was told I could not even give him a ride unless our friendship was prior to him starting high school or it could be considered a violation and the school could get in trouble. Even though the school knew nothing about it.
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So then does this mean that all students, faculty, and donors must become educated in NCAA recruiting rules and regulations? Doubt it. Why should these girls be any different?
 
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The NCAA makes up their own rules---they don't care about any "probable cause."
 
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I was told if you even think there might be a problem you should call the school's compliance office and ask for advice before doing anything that involves a recruit or a student athlete that you did not have a relationship with prior to him/her starting high school. This was several years ago and things may have changed but this came straight from the compliance office.
 
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KGVOL said:
If you are a student, faculty, donor, etc. You are considered a rep. of the school. I know this because of a friendship I had with a former player. There were questions because we became friends while he was a senior in high school and I was a donor. Nothing came of it, but I was told I could not even give him a ride unless our friendship was prior to him starting high school or it could be considered a violation and the school could get in trouble. Even though the school knew nothing about it.
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this accurate information.
 
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This is nothing that hasn't been done regularly in the SEC for years. Seems to me like someone thought Tennessee was beginning to become too much of a threat.
 
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KGVOL said:
I was told if you even think there might be a problem you should call the school's compliance office and ask for advice before doing anything that involves a recruit or a student athlete that you did not have a relationship with prior to him/her starting high school. This was several years ago and things may have changed but this came straight from the compliance office.
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this is still true
 
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