Is the perception of our Defense reality?

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Our defense has been unacceptable without question and most here including myself think we are going to have to win with offense going forward.

Do we just need to accept that shootouts are going to be apart of the formula for us to win big games?

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Are we really close to correcting our issues on defense?


The thing that makes me think our poor perception isnt reality is that we held a GA team that was obviously hot on offense to ZERO 1st downs in the 4th qt. I don't understand how that's possible with a D that has not hope.
 
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I think our D is close. It's hard to drive the ball on us unless you get a huge play (which teams always do). If we can get people in 2nd and long or 3rd down situations I am usually confident. Both of our losses have been the result of big plays. Stop the big plays and we go from a bad defense to a somewhat strong defense.

JMHO
 
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I honestly think that Georgia and Florida were just really bad matchups for us. And I think the D just didn't show up wanting to play in the first half against Akron.

I do think that our size and strength will match up much better with Bama, USCe, Miss State. Missouri may cause us some problems with the speed issues.

Now that we are a half season in, coming off a bye week, I think they will play with their hair on fire at Starkville. Sal is going to spend two full weeks screaming at them.

We have a lot of individual talent in the front seven. Just need to get them on the same page.
 
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Anybody with speed is a bad matchup for us. We're just not very good outside the tackles running to the ball. The confusion with assignments in the secondary has been a killer. I've seen two games live and it blows my mind how often we've got DBs with their hands in the air trying to figure out how to matchup with different formations. If I'm an opposing OC, I'm using 10 different formations and motion on every play.
 
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Perception is reality and reinforced by the scoreboard.

The last 2 years our OLine was maligned and people kept saying it takes time to build an OLine. You need talent AND experience. We had talent and now in year 3 we have experience so at least for now it looks a lot better than the past couple years and even in the first couple of games of this year.

We've been hearing for months now that it takes a couple of years to make the transition to the 3-4 defense. In some areas we may have some talent issues and obviously we don't have a lot of experience with the schemes so I'm guessing we should figure the experts are probably right. We're a year or two away from having a really good defense.

The problem with our defense is consistency. We have to execute well on every snap. A breakdown just 10% of the time means giving up roughly 7 or 8 big plays per game, maybe more. More experience should lead to better consistency and experience is measured in seasons.

jmo.
 
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GAVol said:
Anybody with speed is a bad matchup for us. We're just not very good outside the tackles running to the ball. The confusion with assignments in the secondary has been a killer. I've seen two games live and it blows my mind how often we've got DBs with their hands in the air trying to figure out how to matchup with different formations. If I'm an opposing OC, I'm using 10 different formations and motion on every play.
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Yes, I think that nails it. Due to our current personnel, we just have more of a heavy, slow a foot, Big-10 type defense this year. We can work with that, if we can just get everyone matched up. I thought they did better at Georgia on that versus that first half against Akron where the receivers were running uncovered. For the most part against Georgia, we at least had someone covering everyone.
 
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I am hoping our defensive problems have been adjustment to a new system. At times they have done well, and other times they have looked lost. I hope they can get it turned around soon.

Maybe it’s just me but does anyone one else draw the same parallels with Rajon (sp?) wanting to bounce everything outside early to our D having issues with the outside run?
 
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Florida was bad match up because our defense and whole team thought they were ready and they wern't.
UGA has way more offensive explosive ability then we could handle.
The D will only get better but i don't think we are well enough equipped to stop too many teams.

I AM excited to see the changes post bye week and see if things look corrected at all.
 
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BruinVol said:
Our defense has been unacceptable without question and most here including myself think we are going to have to win with offense going forward.

Do we just need to accept that shootouts are going to be apart of the formula for us to win big games?

Or


Are we really close to correcting our issues on defense?


The thing that makes me think our poor perception isnt reality is that we held a GA team that was obviously hot on offense to ZERO 1st downs in the 4th qt. I don't understand how that's possible with a D that has not hope.
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It may be that UGA put in the second string but we were limiting the gains on the ground at the end of the game....
Do we credit the defense for that or UGA's substitution for it?
 
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Watching the replays of the Georgia game, Byron Moore missed a ridiculous amount of tackles. I saw 4 on big runs just through the highlights. They ran the ball right at him every time. I know we are thin in the secondary, but this is my biggest complaint with Dooley. He will stick to one thing and get burned over and over again. I know it is Sal's D but he is the head coach and the buck stops with him.

To all the sunshine pumpers: "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results."
 
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If we fix the containment issue, we will eliminate 50% of the problem which would have allowed us to beat GA and UF. This can be fixed.
 
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Rudy123 said:
It may be that UGA put in the second string but we were limiting the gains on the ground at the end of the game....
Do we credit the defense for that or UGA's substitution for it?
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It was certainly not substitution but GA because the game was on the line. It was more about them being conservative. One thing I will say is teams can't run when we know they are running. The other is an issue we know
 
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GBO128 said:
Watching the replays of the Georgia game, Byron Moore missed a ridiculous amount of tackles. I saw 4 on big runs just through the highlights. They ran the ball right at him every time. I know we are thin in the secondary, but this is my biggest complaint with Dooley. He will stick to one thing and get burned over and over again. I know it is Sal's D but he is the head coach and the buck stops with him.

To all the sunshine pumpers: "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results."
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I'm not sure I want Dooley messing with the defense... It's Sals job let him do it. Dooley is no defensive minded genius. Dooley needs to be focused on the task at hand and that's mannaging the game, making sure our team is playing all out, and making sure every coach is doing his job. That means Dooley should be telling Sal to sharpen the D up but not trying to do his job for him.
 
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GBO128 said:
Watching the replays of the Georgia game, Byron Moore missed a ridiculous amount of tackles. I saw 4 on big runs just through the highlights. They ran the ball right at him every time. I know we are thin in the secondary, but this is my biggest complaint with Dooley. He will stick to one thing and get burned over and over again. I know it is Sal's D but he is the head coach and the buck stops with him.

To all the sunshine pumpers: "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results."
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Who do you replace him with? How many big plays has he made this year?

Insanity would be sitting one of your few playmakers but that might not fit your agenda.
 
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BruinVol said:
Our defense has been unacceptable without question and most here including myself think we are going to have to win with offense going forward.

Do we just need to accept that shootouts are going to be apart of the formula for us to win big games?

Or


Are we really close to correcting our issues on defense?


The thing that makes me think our poor perception isnt reality is that we held a GA team that was obviously hot on offense to ZERO 1st downs in the 4th qt. I don't understand how that's possible with a D that has not hope.
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Our defense will still have some issues just because of the new scheme (3-4) they will learn not to be out of position which is why they are giving up big plays. Sunseri has called some bad situation calls at critical points of the game and its easy to see if you have ever coached.Ill say this its very fixable and once its fixed this will be a very dangerous team on both sides of the ball.
 
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Whitewolf said:
Like firing a coach when no one in the country wants to take his place? :good!:
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Why is UT such an undesirable job? So the AD should just sit back and say, "sweet we are 10th in the SEC in Football. But that is the best we can do because we can't get a coach to get us over the hump, so we are going to be the best 10th place SEC team we can be."

We ponied up money before and we can do it again. We have some of the best facilities in the country (if not the best) and kids will want to come play here to get ready for the NFL. Why is that undesirable to every proven/ big name coach out there?
 
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I think it's strictly a personnel issue. We just dont' have the speed/talent in the defensive backfield to properly run the 3-4. Also, much of the success of the 3-4 depends on our front 7 getting pressure on the QB and for whatever reason, that's just not happening. Our DE's are not getting in the backfield and our LB's are getting swallowed up by the OL.
 
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BruinVol said:
Who do you replace him with? How many big plays has he made this year?

Insanity would be sitting one of your few playmakers but that might not fit your agenda.
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I am not knocking Byron Moore. The kid has played hard but he can't come up to the line and play strong safety like a linebacker like they want him to. My complaint is they didn't get him help.
 
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GBO128 said:
I am not knocking Byron Moore. The kid has played hard but he can't come up to the line and play strong safety like a linebacker like they want him to. My complaint is they didn't get him help.
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Isn't the strong safety the position that gives help? What position gives a safety help?
 
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BruinVol said:
Isn't the strong safety the position that gives help? What position gives a safety help?
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You get beasted on one big play coming down, ok. Do better next time. You get beasted on two big plays, something needs to change bc you obviously can't handle the assignment. You get beasted on 4 big plays without reassigning or getting an OLB/ DE to stretch the play and not crash in, that is on the coaching staff.
 
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You know once I saw that GA was going to be running out of the shotgun and I formation, I knew we were in trouble. That is a lot of movement for our D when they run out of shotgun and GA did their homework. We couldn't handle it against Florida and had alot of trouble with akron. The D is still learning and this bye week came just in time. The D will get better trust me. Sal seems like one of those guys that will not except anything less than success. That is why freshman #33 Mcneil will be playing more. "He makes plays" - Sal. (and hes fast.) lol
 
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Perception is reality and reinforced by the scoreboard.

The last 2 years our OLine was maligned and people kept saying it takes time to build an OLine. You need talent AND experience. We had talent and now in year 3 we have experience so at least for now it looks a lot better than the past couple years and even in the first couple of games of this year.

We've been hearing for months now that it takes a couple of years to make the transition to the 3-4 defense. In some areas we may have some talent issues and obviously we don't have a lot of experience with the schemes so I'm guessing we should figure the experts are probably right. We're a year or two away from having a really good defense.

The problem with our defense is consistency. We have to execute well on every snap. A breakdown just 10% of the time means giving up roughly 7 or 8 big plays per game, maybe more. More experience should lead to better consistency and experience is measured in seasons.

jmo
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. Thats why we should have hired Randy Shannon. All he ever practice at The U was 4-3 when he was a OLB and thats all he ran at Miami when he coached there. I don't get Dooley everybody knew it was going to take at least a year to make the switch happen. And he might not have a year?
 
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You know once I saw that GA was going to be running out of the shotgun and I formation, I knew we were in trouble. That is a lot of movement for our D when they run out of shotgun and GA did their homework. We couldn't handle it against Florida and had alot of trouble with akron. The D is still learning and this bye week came just in time. The D will get better trust me. Sal seems like one of those guys that will not except anything less than success. That is why freshman #33 Mcneil will be playing more. "He makes plays" - Sal. (and hes fast.) lol
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Its not Sal. Its the scheme. thats why the guys are out of position they are thinking instead of reacting and playing fast.
 
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