Is the fan base divided more now or when Fulmer resigned?

Is the fan base divided more, less or the same as it was with Fulmer?

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Just wondering I see a lot of folks on both sides of the CDD argument...

I also hear folks at the game asking/cheering CDD to go and I hear some folks supporting CDD...

It reminds me a lot of when CPF was in his last days...

I personally think everyone is still behind the players and team, but are split on the coaches....
 
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I think you will find that most of those that were fully supportive of Fulmer are the ones most willing to support Dooley.

Some people have patience; others have none. Some want to win NOW; others want to win for a long time. Some think that change is always positive; others realize that change is just different. Some think that it is all about blame and guilt; others believe it is about responsibility. The ONLY time Vol fans were in lockstep since the early 50's was in 1998.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
I think you will find that most of those that were fully supportive of Fulmer are the ones most willing to support Dooley.

Some people have patience; others have none. Some want to win NOW; others want to win for a long time. Some think that change is always positive; others realize that change is just different. Some think that it is all about blame and guilt; others believe it is about responsibility. The ONLY time Vol fans were in lockstep since the early 50's was in 1998.
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I pretty much agree with a lot of the post except the part in bold.. Sometimes change is just different, but other times it is needed and can be positive..

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, but expecting a different result each time... Sometimes you need change if you want a different result.. :hi:
 
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The final few games of Fulmer didn't seem that divided. Most people realized he needed to go
 
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With all my heart I wish this were over. Winning..coaching change...whatever. Something has got to give. This fanbase has been through enough. This is worse than watching Water For Elephants.
 
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PC Jr. said:
With all my heart I wish this were over. Winning..coaching change...whatever. Something has got to give. This fanbase has been through enough. This is worse than watching Water For Elephants.
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Couldn't have said it better myself...:hi:
 
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In retrospect, I think a LOT of people have mixed feelings about how the team would have fared had we kept Fulmer. I will admit, I am one of those people who have thought "hmmmm, what would our team have done if we had kept Phil in place".

However, at the time, I don't remember a huge portion of fan-base division on the topic. At that point, it was nearly unanimous he had run his course and it was time for a change. I'm sure many will disagree, but I just don't remember a whole lot of people vehemently showing support for Phil during his last days. And I was not a member of this board then, so I don't know what the conversations around here were like.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
I think you will find that most of those that were fully supportive of Fulmer are the ones most willing to support Dooley.

Some people have patience; others have none. Some want to win NOW; others want to win for a long time. Some think that change is always positive; others realize that change is just different. Some think that it is all about blame and guilt; others believe it is about responsibility. The ONLY time Vol fans were in lockstep since the early 50's was in 1998.
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The last sentence is OK, but you can add Miami Sugar bowl and some other times in there.

But to think that the people who like Fulmer are the people that like Dooley is just wrong.

The people defending Dooley are the Fulmer haters.

They have to defend Dooley, otherwise firing Fulmer was wrong. And they can't admit that...
 
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Fulmer won a NC. Dooley hasn't beat a ranked team, only 2 SEC teams in three years and lost to Kentucky. There is a divide but not as large.
 
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I thought Fulmer had to go, but I really didn't like the way it was handled. Major screw up in that department. Should have waited til the season ended. Could have started a coching search sooner, privately. The whole thing with canning him mid season and hiring a search firm was pretty stupid.

For Dooley, I would think about another year if he didn't lose to Kentucky last year. Losing to Kentucky and not winning a game against any top 25 teams in 3 years makes me believe he would never win against teams of equal talent or better.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
Fulmer won a NC. Dooley hasn't beat a ranked team, only 2 SEC teams in three years and lost to Kentucky. There is a divide but not as large.
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Exactly right, Fulmer's past record gave him some clout, and when it came time for a change, the fanbase was divided because of Fulmer's past record and because he was a UT grad. Dooley has set a record by letting UT become the 1st school in SEC history (besides Vandy) to start 0 and 5 in the SEC for 3 straight years. Even though he's only had 3 years, there's some divide among the fanbase, but not near as much IMHO.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
I think you will find that most of those that were fully supportive of Fulmer are the ones most willing to support Dooley.

Some people have patience; others have none. Some want to win NOW; others want to win for a long time. Some think that change is always positive; others realize that change is just different. Some think that it is all about blame and guilt; others believe it is about responsibility. The ONLY time Vol fans were in lockstep since the early 50's was in 1998.
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Some people believe that Tennessee Football is bigger than any head football coach. I keep preaching this. Tennessee Football and the VolNation will be here in 5 years, 10 years, 30 years, etc. when Dooley is gone. If you don't realize that then I am sorry.

Coaches come and go at all programs nationwide every year. Other schools give someone a chance to show them something. And when they don't they get the axe. Why does Tennessee have to be the program to keep allowing someone that has proven nothing for the entire time he has been a head coach continue to experiment he can find a way to make it work?

Take Charlie Strong for example. He was a proven DC but had never been a HC. He goes to a terrible decimated Louisville team and has year in and year out made them better every single season and with scraps of fair/average players. Yeah he isn't in the S.E.C. but coaching is about getting the most out of what you have and winning with it. Now Louisville is undefeated and in the top 10. Strong proves what the Dooley haters want for Tennessee. Dooley proves what no one wants in a HC.
 
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It's less divided now. Almost everyone has checked out on the Dooley Era. At the time Fulmer was fired, there were those who felt he needed more time, and they at least had some past history of success to prop their argument up on. The few who continue to defend Dooley are simply insane.
 
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My perception.....and I may be wrong.....Phil had more people loyal to him than Derek does at this point.
 
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cutnitclose said:
True.... It took awhile to get there though....:good!:
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Fulmer made it difficult to get fired. He made it to the sec championship game the year before we let him go. All those sec East championships and that one national championship made it harder to fire him. He's so selfish...

But hey! Were really rolling now. Glad that clown is gone and we got us a real coach
 
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BJWeeks said:
I don't see how any fan still supports Dooley. He is the worst coach Tennessee has ever had and will be fired soon.
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You're right, and that's how I read his post until re-reading it. The divide is larger now, Dooley hasn't won squat. Fulmer atleast won a NC and had a long sucessful tenur until getting complacent/sloppy
 
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