Is Saban a better recruiter than Fulmer?

Is Saban a better recruiter then Fulmer?

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#51
#51
2006 was a down year but it wasn't a "bad" year.

They ranked 23rd signing 22 players with a star avg of 3.09... dragged down by the signing of 4 2* players including two kickers. D Davis and Raines were the other two.

Tn only produced 1 5* player and 2 4* players that year. Warren 5* and McClendon 4* were two.
 
#52
#52
Saban was 10th last year when AL produced 9 instate 4-5* players. He was 1st this year with a very large class when the state produced 16.

He recruited well at LSU... in another state that produces more instate talent than Tn.

When Alabama has only 3 highly rated players and he manages a 23rd ranked class while signing two kickers... then we can discuss a real apples to apples comparison.
 
#53
#53
sjt18 said:
Saban was 10th last year when AL produced 9 instate 4-5* players. He was 1st this year with a very large class when the state produced 16.

He recruited well at LSU... in another state that produces more instate talent than Tn.

When Alabama has only 3 highly rated players and he manages a 23rd ranked class while signing two kickers... then we can discuss a real apples to apples comparison.
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This was Saban's first year to actually recruit. Alot of the players on last year's class were recruited by Shula. So, your apples to apples comparison doesn't make sense. The Great Pumkin should've whooped Saban this year too at recruiting you know after the horrible season Bama had.
 
#54
#54
sjt18 said:
Saban was 10th last year when AL produced 9 instate 4-5* players. He was 1st this year with a very large class when the state produced 16.

He recruited well at LSU... in another state that produces more instate talent than Tn.

When Alabama has only 3 highly rated players and he manages a 23rd ranked class while signing two kickers... then we can discuss a real apples to apples comparison.
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What is remarkable is that Saban was hired 30 days out of NSD last year. The class up to that point was littered with soft verbals and un-accepted offers. Both coaches have a reputation as great recruiters, with Fulmer sending so many to the pros, so it is kinda of hard to tell until we see them go head-to-head for a few years. The states of Tennessee and Alabama provide each school with an equal recruiting base; considering that Auburn will take its share of AL state prospects.

Saban had the advantage this year of 1) early playing time and 2) a genuine buzz covered extensively in the regional press. When 92k showed up for the spring game, papers here in Louisiana and Mississippi started to cover the fervor. Saban reaped the benefit. We are back to square one.

Eh, call it a wash. The next few years will be telling.
 
#55
#55
RollTideBama said:
The Great Pumkin should've whooped Saban this year too at recruiting you know after the horrible season Bama had.
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Nope. The basis of your class is Bama boys. Congratulations.

Again, Saban has never dealt with a state that had as little home grown talent as Tn.

Even with Saban's ridiculous season, Bama fans were still taking the kool-aid interveniously... his job was not in jeopardy. At a critical recruiting point, CPF was listed near the top of the hotseat list... then when he needed to make a final push, player discipline problems splashed across the headlines in rapid succession.
 
#56
#56
Tortfeasor said:
The states of Tennessee and Alabama provide each school with an equal recruiting base; considering that Auburn will take its share of AL state prospects.
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Nope. Do the research. Alabama plays better HS football and produces more top prospects than Tn even though the population is less if I remember correctly. In fact, both AL and SC routinely produce twice the top prospects that Tn does.

When Bama is good, Auburn has to go out of state to get its better players. They used to make hay in GA but I think they've focused more on FL under Tuberville.

Saban is a great recruiter but I don't respect him as a person and don't think he is the apex of ethics. He is all about himself so his rules kind of bend around what's best for Nick.
 
#59
#59
oklavol said:
I think there is more talent in Tennessee then Alabama:

Population 2002
TN 5,797,289
AL 4,486,508
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While interesting, it doesn't have a strong correlation to in-state football talent. The state of Alabama consistently has more highly rated recruits than Tennessee.

I think Saban is probably a better recruiter, but this year wasn't a fair comparison considering the number of scholarships he had to offer and the lure of early playing time. The next couple of years will tell the full story.
 
#60
#60
sjt18 said:
Nope. Do the research. Alabama plays better HS football and produces more top prospects than Tn even though the population is less if I remember correctly. In fact, both AL and SC routinely produce twice the top prospects that Tn does.

When Bama is good, Auburn has to go out of state to get its better players. They used to make hay in GA but I think they've focused more on FL under Tuberville.

Saban is a great recruiter but I don't respect him as a person and don't think he is the apex of ethics. He is all about himself so his rules kind of bend around what's best for Nick.
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The bases may not be exact but they are close enough to give good assessment of how the coaches recruit head-to-head. Plus, I give Auburn more credit. They do dip into Florida but they have forced Bama to recruit Mississippi in the past. They are normally good enough to take about a third of the prospects with a realistic shot of taking up to half of the in-state talent. Really, I guess that it comes down the your qualifying phrase, "When good"

Never-the-less, it is as close as it can get for our conference and a better indicator then if one of the coaches were based in Florida, Georgia, or Louisiana.
 
#61
#61
Smokefatty said:
While interesting, it doesn't have a strong correlation to in-state football talent. The state of Alabama consistently has more highly rated recruits than Tennessee.

I think Saban is probably a better recruiter, but this year wasn't a fair comparison considering the number of scholarships he had to offer and the lure of early playing time. The next couple of years will tell the full story.
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Right on the money...
 
#62
#62
lets not forget that saban has around 32 players commit to this class....thats the only reason alabama is on top
 
#64
#64
Recruiting is so overrated......If Tennessee would of landed Terrelle "Pyro" Pryor.....the university of TK would have a top 5 class.
 
#66
#66
oklavol said:
I think there is more talent in Tennessee then Alabama:

Population 2002
TN 5,797,289
AL 4,486,508

Alabama Population and Demographics - AL Statistics


And Tennessee is more centrally located.

We saw what Fulmer recruited after a 5-6 season, look what Saban did after a 7-6 season, #1 in the nation.
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Check Rivals top 100 and see how many guys from the state of Alabama are on there. Then check the state of Tennessee.
 
#69
#69
therickbol said:
Nah, the more population figures supported his arguement.
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The states with the most high school football prospects are Florida, Texas, and California. In population Florida ranks 4th, Texas 2nd, and California #1. I don't think thats by accident.
 
#70
#70
oklavol said:
The states with the most high school football prospects are Florida, Texas, and California. In population Florida ranks 4th, Texas 2nd, and California #1. I don't think thats by accident.
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What's the point?

The star rankings people seem to love suggests Tennessee doesn't put out the same amount of D-1 talent as a lot of other states, population be damned.
 
#71
#71
justingroves said:
What's the point?

The star rankings people seem to love suggests Tennessee doesn't put out the same amount of D-1 talent as a lot of other states, population be damned.
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It stands to reason, in the southeast where high school football is popular, the states with larger population will have more high school football talent. Texas and Florida are good examples. They have more high school talent then anyone else.

If you going to look for a trend, go look at the last 20 years not just last year. I don't think high school football is less popular in Tennessee then Alabama. Tennessee should have as much talent as Alabama if not more, they have a larger population.
 
#72
#72
oklavol said:
It stands to reason, in the southeast where high school football is popular, the states with larger population will have more high school football talent. Texas and Florida are good examples. They have more high school talent then anyone else.

If you going to look for a trend, go look at the last 20 years not just last year. I don't think high school football is less popular in Tennessee then Alabama. Tennessee should have as much talent as Alabama if not more, they have a larger population.
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You're more than welcome to go to Rivals and look at the past 10 years of the top 100. I can promise you Alabama, Georgia, Florida and Mississippi have had more players on the top 100 over the past 10 years or 20 years whatever number you want to choose.
 
#73
#73
oklavol said:
It stands to reason, in the southeast where high school football is popular, the states with larger population will have more high school football talent. Texas and Florida are good examples. They have more high school talent then anyone else.

If you going to look for a trend, go look at the last 20 years not just last year. I don't think high school football is less popular in Tennessee then Alabama. Tennessee should have as much talent as Alabama if not more, they have a larger population.
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Have you ever resided in Alabama? No, I didn't think so, because you have no idea what you're talking about. High school football is immensely more popular in Alabama with more athletes choosing to make that their "ticket" to college
 
#74
#74
oklavol said:
It stands to reason, in the southeast where high school football is popular, the states with larger population will have more high school football talent. Texas and Florida are good examples. They have more high school talent then anyone else.

If you going to look for a trend, go look at the last 20 years not just last year. I don't think high school football is less popular in Tennessee then Alabama. Tennessee should have as much talent as Alabama if not more, they have a larger population.
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Your assumption that population directly correlates to talent is just plain wrong. For whatever reason, our talent per population is lower than these other states. Are you blaming that on Fulmer? I dont know the exact reasons. Blame high school coaches in Tennessee for not developing them properly. Maybe it is because our population has a higher percentage of caucasians. And, the city that has the best athletes in the state (Memphis) is much, much more a basketball city than football. Those very talented kids in Memphis grow up focusing on basketball first. Maybe that is another reason. I dont know all the exact reasons. But if you look at Rivals over the last 10 years you will see the fact is that those states produce more talent.
 
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