Is Mizzou's offense just really bad?

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tm3 said:
MUs record is a house of cards.

UT out-talents, has the home field advantage, did better against common opponents, finally has a rising star QB that fits the system, and has almost a year of experience in the O line.

Losing AJ hurts but one player (other than Dobbs) won't be a difference maker. In fact it might be a rallying cry for the rest of the team if CBJ plays it right.

No reason for UT to not win this one.
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If I'm not mistaken, aren't you going to be missing two OL starters for this game?

Also, isn't UT one of the leaders in "sacks allowed" in the conference this year?

I'm not saying Mizzou is going to roll in Knoxville. I think it will be a good game. But I'd suggest you'd be foolish to think UT rolls. Mizzou has maybe the best DL in the conference, and it's deep. And both the LB and the Secondary is playing exceptionally well.

It's going to be a dog fight.
 
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#52
Looking at who Mizzou played, their record, and the win-loss column, no wonder they are 8-2.
 

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DaHouse77 said:
If I'm not mistaken, aren't you going to be missing two OL starters for this game?

Also, isn't UT one of the leaders in "sacks allowed" in the conference this year?

I'm not saying Mizzou is going to roll in Knoxville. I think it will be a good game. But I'd suggest you'd be foolish to think UT rolls. Mizzou has maybe the best DL in the conference, and it's deep. And both the LB and the Secondary is playing exceptionally well.

It's going to be a dog fight.
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I see you get your news straight from the crack-shot analysts at SEC Network and ESPN.

Here's a dime for you:

This offense is totally different with Dobbs at the helm as opposed to Worley.

It's like a Broncos fan talking about their stats under Manning if Manning was injured and Brock Lobster was leading the team.

A team lives and breathes on it's QB. Dobbs is worlds ahead of Worley at this point. Bringing up the fact that Worley-led UT gave up 5-6 sacks a game just makes you look pretty poor in ability to rationally digest stats.

I gave you stats before, I see you ignored them to continue making yourself sound like a Finebaum Show caller.
 
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DaHouse77 said:
If I'm not mistaken, aren't you going to be missing two OL starters for this game?

Also, isn't UT one of the leaders in "sacks allowed" in the conference this year?

I'm not saying Mizzou is going to roll in Knoxville. I think it will be a good game. But I'd suggest you'd be foolish to think UT rolls. Mizzou has maybe the best DL in the conference, and it's deep. And both the LB and the Secondary is playing exceptionally well.

It's going to be a dog fight.
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Only missing 1 OL, and although he's our least athletic OL, he's the center, so that could prove to be costly. Our OL is considerably below SEC average although they have played much better since we began playing our mobile QB Dobbs.

Agree with everything else. Our OL is a bad matchup with your DL, especially Ray and and Golden.
 
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agent|orange said:
i see you get your news straight from the crack-shot analysts at sec network and espn.

Here's a dime for you:

This offense is totally different with dobbs at the helm as opposed to worley.

It's like a broncos fan talking about their stats under manning if manning was injured and brock lobster was leading the team.

A team lives and breathes on it's qb. Dobbs is worlds ahead of worley at this point. Bringing up the fact that worley-led ut gave up 5-6 sacks a game just makes you look pretty poor in ability to rationally digest stats.

I gave you stats before, i see you ignored them to continue making yourself sound like a finebaum show caller.
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boom
 
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DaHouse77 said:
If I'm not mistaken, aren't you going to be missing two OL starters for this game?

Also, isn't UT one of the leaders in "sacks allowed" in the conference this year?

I'm not saying Mizzou is going to roll in Knoxville. I think it will be a good game. But I'd suggest you'd be foolish to think UT rolls. Mizzou has maybe the best DL in the conference, and it's deep. And both the LB and the Secondary is playing exceptionally well.

It's going to be a dog fight.
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I'm going to respond to this in a less argumentative way for you, so you can understand.

Worley was a pocket passer and couldn't move to save his life. We were giving up 10 sacks per game (exaggeration of course) because our O-line isn't particularly strong and Worley was a sitting duck with a tendency to hold the ball for too long.

Our O-line does have a strength though, they move well. Since Dobbs has taken over they've only allowed one sack, because as soon as Dobbs gets the ball he's in motion. Our O-line can move with him fairly well to keep defenders off him long enough to make a decision.

Basically, this O-line has thrived under a QB who can move. They weren't built to go muscle to muscle and protect a pocket passer, they were built for a QB who is going to take the snap and run out of the pocket, so they can run with him and find the linebackers and DE's that are chasing him and slow them down.

It doesn't matter if you can get pressure from the lines. At this point if you bring the house you'll end up with 7 guys chasing Dobbs around the outside as he runs for a first down.
 
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They had one play we couldn't stop even when we knew it was coming and they got 28 points off it. In the 3rd fn quarter alone.
 
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My feeling is that if we lose to Mizzou it will be because of turnovers and special teams. I think we are superior offensively and defensively.
 
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DaHouse77 said:
If I'm not mistaken, aren't you going to be missing two OL starters for this game?
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Crowder suffered a knee injury. His back up came in with no noticeable drop off. I am not aware of any other OL's who cannot go. Maybe someone else knows.

Also, isn't UT one of the leaders in "sacks allowed" in the conference this year?
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Yeah.... sort of. UT through the 2nd series of the Bama game had allowed 32 sacks. Since Dobbs took over in the 3rd series vs Bama... UT has allowed only 1 sack.

He was not sacked by Bama who has a better D and DL than Mizzou. Allowing none to USCe isn't saying much since they're last in the SEC... but UK is tied with Bama for 5th. Allowing only one to them was a pretty good showing.

I don't want to disrespect your DL too much. They are the strength of your D. But your weak schedule contributed a great deal to their results. Versus just the SEC... UT leads the SEC in sacks with 3.83 per game followed by Mizzou, MSU, and Bama.

I'm not saying Mizzou is going to roll in Knoxville. I think it will be a good game. But I'd suggest you'd be foolish to think UT rolls.
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That was the same message before the UK game. We were warned that Bama was going to roll over UT in a bad way. Truth is... this has been a different team since Dobbs took over at QB. He changes the dynamic on O and takes pressure off the D.

I do not necessarily expect UT to "roll". I also would not be surprised to see UT do better than your previous opponents other than UGA vs your D. You have not faced a QB with Dobbs mobility and he's throwing it well. You have not faced a WR group with more talent. Hurd is one of the better RB's you will have faced.

Mizzou has maybe the best DL in the conference, and it's deep. And both the LB and the Secondary is playing exceptionally well.

It's going to be a dog fight.
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You do not have a better DL than UF, LSU, Bama, or Ole Miss at a minimum. Potentially others.

Again, success has to be taken in the context of competition. Even your SEC schedule has been weaker than UT and probably most other teams. You will have played the East and then probably the #6 and #7 teams in the West. You played no one at all in your OOC schedule.

It could be a dog fight. OTOH, UT's O may break your D down and score like UGA did. UT struggled before Dobbs took over to run the ball. Since then... UT is averaging 246 ypg. Only UGA and Auburn have avg'd more on the season.


Mizzou has made the best of their fortune.... but walking a MUCH easier path doesn't equate to greatness.
 
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I did see that A&M's D was scared to tackle Mizzou players for some reason. The SEC network showed a clip where a defender jumped away from the rb and then flailed his arms out in his direction, it was pretty comical. Almost as funny as 2 UF lineman blocking each other again.
 
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StlOx said:
I think you're severely underestimating us. We haven't lost a road game since 2012.
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I care not what you have been in past years. We aren't playing your team from last year. If we were, it would be a completely different story.

I simply don't respect your schedule and how you have played this year. I don't believe you are a legitimate SEC East champion. Much in the same way we weren't in 2007.

At this point in the season, not last year, not the beginning of this year, I believe both our offense and our defense are better. We have a very young but very talented team take their lumps in a brutal top-heavy schedule. It forced them to grow up quick, which they have.

Thus, I believe it is our game to lose on senior night at Neyland. Believe me, we are very capable of doing it. Hell, you take Dobbs out of the game in the first quarter and we would have zero chance. So it's not like I am saying there is no way we can lose this game.
 
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TAM is awful and undisciplined on D. Mauk got away with the kind of reckless plays that has limited their O previously. Versus the SEC, TAM allows over 250 ypg on the ground. They literally cannot stop anyone.
 
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sjt18 said:
TAM is awful and undisciplined on D. Mauk got away with the kind of reckless plays that has limited their O previously. Versus the SEC, TAM allows over 250 ypg. They literally cannot stop anyone.
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You might want to reverse that 2 and that 5.

They're a lot worse than 250ypg.
 
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sjt18 said:
The problem with putting very much credence in the TAM game is that they are the worst D in the SEC. They literally have not stopped anyone except for Lamar and SMU. Versus the SEC they avg allowing 512 ypg.

The problems on O for MU start with Mauk but do not end there. Losing the big 3 at WR was huge. Losing the two OL's was about as big.

Maybe they are now "finding themselves"... but unless there is MAJOR improvement UT should limit MU's scoring more than enough.

On D, MU has an excellent system that they play with good discipline. But with a couple of exceptions, the talent isn't great this year. UT will also have the most talent MU has seen at WR and the most mobile QB Mizzou has seen outside of practice. Unlike Mauk, Dobbs is cool headed and plays with good discipline. He's VERY coachable and is said to possess a photographic memory. Jones says that he only has to be told something once... his improvement curve trends sharply up.

I have a great deal of respect for what Pinkel does with what he has to work with. However I do not expect the "luck" to hold out forever.

UT certainly didn't need to lose AJ on D. We can't know what impact that might have. But based on talent alone... UT should still beat MU.
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UGA fan here. Maybe Mauk has improved, but here is what I saw when UGA played at Mizzou.

UGA has a pretty good outside pass rush with Jenkins and Floyd. Mauk did not go through his progressions. When he got outside pressure, he didn't step up and check down. He immediately bailed and chucked it somewhere. IIRC, he had more INTs than completions at some point in the game. Unless he has changed, the key to beating Mizzou is a pass rush. Mizzou posters might disagree.
 
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If we can do a descent job of replacing AJ (JRM or JJ) and TKjr plays a smart, solid game, we should come out on top. If they figure out a way to expose Mosley/Coleman in coverage or run up the middle with success, it will be whoever scores last....
 
#72
#72
missouri got shut out by Ga which doesn't have a good defense and they only got 120 yards against a mediocre fla team
 
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VolsRule said:
missouri got shut out by Ga which doesn't have a good defense and they only got 120 yards against a mediocre fla team
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Looking at it though (to be fair):

UF has a pretty good defense, despite it's utter lack of offense (ranking about 20th in the country in yards allowed, and around 30th in the country in points allowed per game), and part of the reason for the offense numbers was the starting starting field defense forced (as well as the two returns of turnovers) saw 3 fumbles forced on UF's side of the 50 and 3 INTs on UF's side of the field...that plus 4 scoring drives were just returns.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
I'm going to respond to this in a less argumentative way for you, so you can understand.

Worley was a pocket passer and couldn't move to save his life. We were giving up 10 sacks per game (exaggeration of course) because our O-line isn't particularly strong and Worley was a sitting duck with a tendency to hold the ball for too long.

Our O-line does have a strength though, they move well. Since Dobbs has taken over they've only allowed one sack, because as soon as Dobbs gets the ball he's in motion. Our O-line can move with him fairly well to keep defenders off him long enough to make a decision.

Basically, this O-line has thrived under a QB who can move. They weren't built to go muscle to muscle and protect a pocket passer, they were built for a QB who is going to take the snap and run out of the pocket, so they can run with him and find the linebackers and DE's that are chasing him and slow them down.

It doesn't matter if you can get pressure from the lines. At this point if you bring the house you'll end up with 7 guys chasing Dobbs around the outside as he runs for a first down.
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1 sack in 3 games! Lovin' it.
 
#75
#75
Great defense for but secondary can be suspect and honestly one of the worst SEC offenses.
 
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