Is Mike Norvell a "Google" coach?

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DeepSpringsVol said:
Not big enough sample size for me. If not Gruden, Patterson, Frost, Fuente, Gundy, Venables, Kiffin, Kelly, Dantonio, Marrone, hen Mullen, then I'd say the dude at James Madison, then Norvell.
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You mention sample size then bring up Frost (in his second year as a head coach) and Gruden who has never been a head coach in college and was only in college coaching period for 4 years. Plus he hasn't coached a game in almost 10 years period. Resume wise Frost and Norvell are about equal.
 
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VolRoger said:
Our last 3 coaches would fit that bill. Results were pretty bad. Look it's easy for the Memphis, UCF's, etc to hire potential up and comer coaches. They have nothing to lose from a revenue or prestige point of view. If we have learned anything the past 10 years, UT doesn't have that leeway from the fans and donors. Whether you or I believe or don't believe UT can land a coach who has proven to win big in the P5 is of no consequence. The fact is Tennessee has to land this type of coach this time. The ramifications of blowing it this time are pretty scary if you want to see championship football at UT in the next few years. There are P5 programs who at one time had great winning traditions who are now irrelevant. Tennessee hasn't been relevant since 2004. UT was lucky to get in the 2007 SEC Championship. By that time, Alabama and Florida were killing the Vols.
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I will tell you my opinion...
We have not had a QB since Tyler Bray
I have seen no offense that I cared about since then
We better get an offensive mind
A lot of energy is required for recruiting at Tennessee..thus all the money allotted for it
Lastly, I havent seen all the pcs put together on both sides of the ball at tennessee since Fulmer...and that is a long time to go without any consistency on both sides of the ball....................
 
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vols1707 said:
Gruden, Miles, & Schanio

All proven high level winners


I named 3 instead of 1. I'm a go getter

Edit: Patterson too

4 now.... 🍪 Please
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OK, so none of your first 3 are HC's....nor are they winning now. Schiano (I assume) wasn't that great at Rutgers either...but it is Rutgers.
 
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As other threads have indicated. It very likely our next coach will be an up and comer or a recycled SEC coach. I am sure Sexton is working to get Currie to hire Sumlin. Malzahn will roll to Arky. I really doubt Mullen cashes in all that equity he has in Starkville. So if no white whale (Gruden or Patterson), Norvell it will be.
 
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Yes. Norvell is a Google coach. If we weren't living in the state where he coaches and therefore picks up a little media even in East and Middle, the vast majority of us would have no clue who he is.
 
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awaitingawin said:
I will tell you my opinion...
We have not had a QB since Tyler Bray
I have seen no offense that I cared about since then
We better get an offensive mind
A lot of energy is required for recruiting at Tennessee..thus all the money allotted for it
Lastly, I havent seen all the pcs put together on both sides of the ball at tennessee since Fulmer...and that is a long time to go without any consistency on both sides of the ball....................
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You'll get no argument from me about recruiting. Would it surprise you that Nick Saban has the reputation in coaching circles as one of the most tireless recruiters in that fraternity? He is also well known for being a great evaluator of assistant coaches. Being at or near the top of college football means your assistants are constantly leaving for promotions to higher assistant, coordinator, or head coaching jobs. A young energetic coach is great if he can assemble a great staff who can both recruit and develop talent. Butch failed at that.
 
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mpfvol said:
He is like BJ to me followed Justin Fuente at Memphis and has not had enough time to show if he can do it on his own yet IMO
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Better recruiter than Fuente. Signed the 2 highest rated recruiting classes in Memphis history.

Recruited Ferguson to replace Lynch at QB and all he's done is break all of Lynch's records. The QB in waiting

Turned a walk on WR that was pretty good into the best WR in Memphis history and an NFL prospect.

Signed 18 3* and 2 4* in 2017 class. The 2 4* recruits are from Nashville. Carter, the DB, will be playing on Sundays in 2 more years. Eze, the OL, everyone wanted including UT.
 
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awaitingawin said:
Then honestly name me 1 big time head coach who is now WINNING and will leave for the Tennessee job....its OK to dream but now be REAL...name one
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This rationale is what Clay Travis calls mosquito dick thinking and frankly its just dumb. Regardless of what you may want to believe, Tennessee is a big time job. We are not some mid major program with little to offer a coach. Get real. You never know what big time winning coach would take the job until you try. Stop thinking small time.
 
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901king said:
Anyone with 2 eyes in their heads that have seen the QBs the 2 coaches have recruited and the offenses that they run.
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Really? Ok then, tell me how many wins Norvell has over big time programs. Top 10? Top 15? Tell me how many NFL players he has put into the NFL on BOTH sides of the ball.

If you were to name one thing thats constant when it comes to winning in the SEC, what would it be? Consistently great defense. The QB play is important but far less so in the SEC. Look at Alabama and Georgia. Both have mediocre QB play. But both play have outstanding defense.
 
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901king said:
Better recruiter than Fuente. Signed the 2 highest rated recruiting classes in Memphis history.

Recruited Ferguson to replace Lynch at QB and all he's done is break all of Lynch's records. The QB in waiting

Turned a walk on WR that was pretty good into the best WR in Memphis history and an NFL prospect.

Signed 18 3* and 2 4* in 2017 class. The 2 4* recruits are from Nashville. Carter, the DB, will be playing on Sundays in 2 more years. Eze, the OL, everyone wanted including UT.
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Check...check...and check...high powered offense
 
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pimo1 said:
You mention sample size then bring up Frost (in his second year as a head coach) and Gruden who has never been a head coach in college and was only in college coaching period for 4 years. Plus he hasn't coached a game in almost 10 years period. Resume wise Frost and Norvell are about equal.
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I am afraid gruden would think recruits should flock to him and not have the energy and love for being on the road recruiting...besides I'm this is just a pipe dream...and secondly I doubt any of the well known head coaches even thinking of Tennessee...
They give Arkansas a shot before Tennessee...why is that
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
This rationale is what Clay Travis calls mosquito dick thinking and frankly its just dumb. Regardless of what you may want to believe, Tennessee is a big time job. We are not some mid major program with little to offer a coach. Get real. You never know what big time winning coach would take the job until you try. Stop thinking small time.
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Oh, you mean like 5 years ago when they wouldn't touch the Tennessee job with a 10 ft pole
 
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He’s a google coach everywhere outside the State of Tennessee. We only know of him because he’s at Memphis. No one had ever heard of him before he took over Memphis last year.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Really? Ok then, tell me how many wins Norvell has over big time programs. Top 10? Top 15? Tell me how many NFL players he has put into the NFL on BOTH sides of the ball.

If you were to name one thing thats constant when it comes to winning in the SEC, what would it be? Consistently great defense. The QB play is important but far less so in the SEC. Look at Alabama and Georgia. Both have mediocre QB play. But both play have outstanding defense.
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Memphis has had the AAC Defensive player of the week for 3 weeks in a row. Their D is certainly not SEC caliber but nobody in that conference plays D and they seem to be making strides.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Really? Ok then, tell me how many wins Norvell has over big time programs. Top 10? Top 15? Tell me how many NFL players he has put into the NFL on BOTH sides of the ball.

If you were to name one thing thats constant when it comes to winning in the SEC, what would it be? Consistently great defense. The QB play is important but far less so in the SEC. Look at Alabama and Georgia. Both have mediocre QB play. But both play have outstanding defense.
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He's only been the coach for 2 years, so he hasn't placed any players in the NFL, yet. Miller and Ferguson will be drafted this year. TJ Carter will be drafted in 3 years when he is eligible.

If I were to name one thing that's constant in winning the SEC it would be SABAN.

Norvell has beaten 3 Top 25 teams in his 2 years. Top 10-15 Power 5 teams are not lining up to play Memphis, or any successful G5 program, so the opportunities to play them are almost nil. Some P5 schools that actually sign contracts, including UT and Arkansas, don't honor the AWAY portion of HOME and HOME contracts when it appears the G5 school is actually superior.

The reason the SEC is down is because there is NO QB play. Whenever one of these mighty SEC defenses faces an actual QB, they get shredded. Please see what Ole Miss and Clemson did to the vaunted Bama teams the last 3 years. The mighty Ole Miss Landshark D that ate up the SEC in 2015 was obliterated by Memphis because of one reason - Elite QB play.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Please provide proof of these ridiculous statements
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What was said that needed proof? We have all seen Les call insane plays that nobody else would call and pull out a win. What he said was kind of silly, but not near as silly as you asking for proof.
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
As other threads have indicated. It very likely our next coach will be an up and comer or a recycled SEC coach. I am sure Sexton is working to get Currie to hire Sumlin. Malzahn will roll to Arky. I really doubt Mullen cashes in all that equity he has in Starkville. So if no white whale (Gruden or Patterson), Norvell it will be.
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Well before we recycle or get an unknown, I would prefer Troy Calhoun and give him a big budget for assistants. If the guy can have 8 winning season out of 11 at Air Force, you know he is doing something good. We can sell that to recruits if the top of the list says no better than we can castoffs and unknowns.
 
#100
#100
Mike Norvell may look better every day as Tennessee does its DD on coaches...don't be surprised...No P5 coaches that I know of are knocking the doors down to try to coach here....and if past history is any indication they are eager to turn the job down...Tennessee needs an offensive minded coach and one that knows how to put the pieces together.....right now Tennessee is a mess......If we don't get Mike Norvell I just wonder how many on the board will be posting about how bad of a mistake Tennessee made by letting Mike get away.......................
 
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