Is Lady Vols Legacy Over?

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#103
"She is so proud to say that her team spends the majority of it's time working on defense. . . "

The team may be spending a lot of practice time on defense but it doesn't seem to have sunk in.

Some NCAA Ranking Summary stats -

215th in scoring defense
311th in forced turnovers
285th in steals
20th in D rebounds
Not Ranked in O rebounds
 
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LadyVol1908 said:
Explains the ND, Standford, USC, and Mississippi St games.
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That's the thing. This team didn't just luck into those wins. No, they followed a game plan, used what they'd practiced. And probably their opponents took them too lightly, to be fair. But it wasn't blind luck that won those games. Somehow the players knew what they should be doing, and that's because they were taught.
 
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they just got lucky in the USC game, 99% of the time Nared would have been called for a walk.

Notre Dame over looked the LV's for sure, imho, especially with the big 3 quarter lead that they had.

Against MSU, every dog has a day...

Stanford? highly over rated. They'll probably lose their 1st NCAA game just like always.
 
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plus against USC, Staley tried out her inner Holly and sat Davis during crunch time... Can you say "STOOPID" here! :)
 
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To those who are applauding the wins vs the better teams.... how do you explain the many losses vs the lesser teams.... ??? It is coaching plain and simple... they have the responsibility to prepare the team for all games.... they have total control..... if we are so good, why haven't SC and Ms St lost to these lesser teams to the degree that we have
 
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LadyVol1908 said:
Explains the ND, Standford, USC, and Mississippi St games.
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We have more talent than any team not named UCONN. We should be able to beat anyone we play. Its never an upset when we win. It only seems like it because Holly usually has our uber talented players playing like garbage.
 
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We shall see next year if Holly can put a WINNING team on the court. I gave up on a championship team, just put a winning team with a winning attitude and lets build on that. If Holly can get a team that plays hardnose and hustle on every play every game and condition this team to run teams out of the gym. we might field a decent team. Bring in a shooting coach please. They need one
 
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gule said:
they just got lucky in the USC game, 99% of the time Nared would have been called for a walk.

Notre Dame over looked the LV's for sure, imho, especially with the big 3 quarter lead that they had.

Against MSU, every dog has a day...

Stanford? highly over rated. They'll probably lose their 1st NCAA game just like always.
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huh? Stanford hasn't lost in the 1st round since 98-99.
In fact they've made the Final 4 the last 6 out of 9 years.
 
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LasVegasBill23 said:
Too bad. Holly knows the game of basketball, but has trouble conveying it to others. Others to whom she is directed to instruct. These players are not listening to her. That is if I believe that she is busting their butts in practice and covering the fundamentals and finer points of basketball.... a comprehensive soup to nuts understanding of the game....

I think that these players are just playing for themselves, playing when they want to.... I know i get in trouble with others on this forum when i say this, but how else do you explain the up and down performance.... hustled and gave great performance vs Notre Dame... and then pitiful performance vs (take your pick).... so many things could cite on recent performance vs. Bama.... things fundamentally that stick out ..... like not boxing out at all.... Bama takes shot from foul line and no orange players look around to take a body, and the result. well... OK, anyway it is a sad state of affairs here....
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Do you all think some of this sloppy play could be the players and not coaching? It seems like some of the players have the attitude that they will not be benched so they go all 'Rouge one' and just do as they please.

We have 9 players and UConn has 10. I guarantee you if Genos players played this ****ty, he would not hesitated to pull all 5 of the starters and put the other 5 in. Of course we could only pull 4 and replace with 4.
 
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mike099 said:
Do you all think some of this sloppy play could be the players and not coaching? It seems like some of the players have the attitude that they will not be benched so they go all 'Rouge one' and just do as they please.

We have 9 players and UConn has 10. I guarantee you if Genos players played this ****ty, he would not hesitated to pull all 5 of the starters and put the other 5 in. Of course we could only pull 4 and replace with 4.
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One time, then yes...you could blame the players. When it happens on a consistent basis, then it's a failure of the coaching.

IIRC, Geno has a walk on or two on his squad. There's no reason Holly couldn't have done the same if she felt that there were attitude issues with the current roster.
 
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Amb3096 said:
One time, then yes...you could blame the players. When it happens on a consistent basis, then it's a failure of the coaching.

IIRC, Geno has a walk on or two on his squad. There's no reason Holly couldn't have done the same if she felt that there were attitude issues with the current roster.
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Holly has several times in press conferences explained that she won't "get on" players every time they don't do well in games because they may have done well before. I mean that in and of itself in inconsistent. She can't expect more from them as players than she is willing to give herself as the one in charge.

At the same time though some of these performances are down right embarrassing. As a player you would think you would want to play hard just not to embarrass yourself or the school. Someone has to decide what the standard is and adopt the premise of "no plays off" but until then I am pretty sure they will be plagued by inconsistency.

Both are responsible ultimately. The coaching staff for not demanding it game in and game out and the players for not caring enough even when it isn't demanded to at least not embarrass yourself. I don't think anyone at this point is taking any responsibility for the bad games so they will continue to have them and continue to be "shocked" when they happen. Although at 20+ losses in 2 seasons the "I don't know's" even begin to seem half-hearted.

Oddly, when they do those practice interviews with the coaches they seems to know everything that is wrong. Just a real problem with applying it to game time situations consistently.
 
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mike099 said:
Do you all think some of this sloppy play could be the players and not coaching? It seems like some of the players have the attitude that they will not be benched so they go all 'Rouge one' and just do as they please.

We have 9 players and UConn has 10. I guarantee you if Genos players played this ****ty, he would not hesitated to pull all 5 of the starters and put the other 5 in. Of course we could only pull 4 and replace with 4.
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Oh I think it is totally the coach's issue.... I said my opinion on the forum last week and caught hell for it.... most are not of my opinion so I pulled back.... But i will say that it is 100% a coaching issue, and yes you are correct if it was Geno.... the gals who were not showing like they cared at all (like standing and looking at the basket instead of boxing out) would be sitting on the bench a long time.... in his way of thinking there is no room for indifference .... it is unfair to the school and your teammates.... It is funny that Holly does not have a clue and she admits it... "if i knew what was wrong i would fix it" sad state of affairs....
 
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#119
Mostly exaggerated and purely negative.

Aren't these the same "McD AA" players with "such great talent" used to judge HW as a terrible coach?

I'd hate to see what you'd say about any other bench in America.

GEEBUS!



Orange_Mamba said:
Let's take a look at next year roster since y'all so eager too.
Returning:
PG with bad decision making skills
Guard with terrible ball handling skills
Guard with a terrible shot
Wing with no mid range game or defense
Wing that gets herself in foul trouble too often
Post that's not developed
Post that haven't played a sec of D1 basketball
Four players that would not have played against college competition or speed.
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LadyVol1908 said:
Lmfaooo what's deceiving about her numbers? They are, what they are.
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Mercedes numbers lead you to believe she is actually playing better on the court than those numbers really show. She is lazy, and she loafs fifty percent of the time she is on the court. She is not as dominant as she should be to be as big as she is.
 
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I think the door to the trophy room of Pat Summitt's legacy has closed. What we have today is a women's basketball team that plays for the U of Tenn. Period......
 
#125
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The only way this program turns it's self around is to make a change at HC and staff and bring in someone who knows x's and o's and is that alpha personality that will get these girls in shape, motivated and accountable to not just the HC and staff but to each other and to the Lady Vol tradition that Pat had built.

It's interesting to watch what is going on up in Storrs and their approach to preparation, attitude and competing every single game and practice. The results are what they are.

This program needs that type of leadership (not Geno or his staff) to get this program back to where Pat built it.

Hard work beats talent when talent don't work hard. And that can be the mantra of the past two seasons for this Lady Vols team. That talent don't work hard.
 
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