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Nocleats said:
So,
7-6 in 2010
6-7 in 2011
5-7 in 2012
5-7 in 2013
and the new admission standards have been in effect for 5 years now. Not saying it is the reason, but if your competition isn't doing it, just saying
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The standards haven't been even a remote factor in our struggles on the field. Don't worry, we're still bringing in plenty of barely literate football players. Just passing on the ones that are fully illiterate.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
The standards haven't been even a remote factor in our struggles on the field. Don't worry, we're still bringing in plenty of barely literate football players. Just passing on the ones that are fully illiterate.
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DP, doesn't it count against the schools graduation rate if a player doesn't make it?
 
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DeerPark12 said:
The standards haven't been even a remote factor in our struggles on the field. Don't worry, we're still bringing in plenty of barely literate football players. Just passing on the ones that are fully illiterate.
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"Just passing on the ones that are fully illiterate."
What is our competition doing?
 
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Oskie Volum said:
I think it's interesting how u skipped from Fulmer to CBJ as if there weren't 2 other coaches that had to deal with this. 2 coaches willing to take it on. 1 ran away quick and the other that was bashed and considered to be a "bad recruiter".

I know I'm going to get bashed by the usual folks, but this kind of stuff I wish people would take into consideration.
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At the same time, isn't it interesting how quickly folks turn to assigning blame to a coach for issues the coach has no control over and in fact, stringently opposed to no avail.
 
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You understand that UT is a school first, right?

I do, but so are the other schools in the conference and NCAA and the majority of them do not have a problem with the minimum NCAA standards.
 
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MedicT said:
With that, some can begin to see why Coach Fulmer began to have difficulties (the deck was stacked against him) and why UT has such difficulty attracting coaches with a proven record. Don't get me wrong, I am very impressed with Coach Jones, but I think UT is very fortunate that he is willing to take on the challenge.
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Fulmer's deck was stacked against him whenever he relied on an OC not named David Cutcliff.

But hey, believe what you wish....eggheads and ESPN hate us!
 
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MedicT said:
At the same time, isn't it interesting how quickly folks turn to assigning blame to a coach for issues the coach has no control over and in fact, stringently opposed to no avail.
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Dooleys failures weren't because of these admission problems, neither were his recruiting problems. He tried recruiting big 10 type players and then failed to coach them up. But if you weren't so busy trying to defend him you would've noticed most people said he could bring in highly rated players, they were just the wrong type of player to compete in the sec
 
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JFBanicki said:
Dooleys failures weren't because of these admission problems, neither were his recruiting problems. He tried recruiting big 10 type players and then failed to coach them up. But if you weren't so busy trying to defend him you would've noticed most people said he could bring in highly rated players, they were just the wrong type of player to compete in the sec
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Defending Dooley? Uh...not quite sure how to reply to that other than to say you are playing way too deep in left field. I'm all for raising academic standards however, it should be Conference wide, that's all. IMHO
 
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therealitytheory said:
Fulmer's deck was stacked against him whenever he relied on an OC not named David Cutcliff.

But hey, believe what you wish....eggheads and ESPN hate us!
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Then please explain to this egghead, if that is what you are implying but are afraid to say, why Cutcliff has not himself won a NC as head coach?
 
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The Orlando Brown situation wasn't tied to all of that directly. His situation was that we could not afford the risk of him not getting qualified. He still has some work to do to get there. With us signing so many, if you sign one and they don't make it in, they still count against you. We could not afford that risk...OU could. There is a chance he still ends up at a JUCO.
 
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Nocleats said:
My response to this would be if these numbers are true, how many others were never offered to begin with and did they end up at rival schools where Tennessee had to compete against them. If they can enter Oklahoma, LSU, Miss St, Auburn , Clemson etc. they should be allowed into Tenn as well.
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LSU's initial eligibility requirements:

2. Achieve a minimum 2.5 grade point average (based on a 4.0 scale) in the core curriculum (stated above) at the time of graduation; and
3. Achieve a minimum SAT score of 820 or a minimum ACT sum composite score of 68.

http://www.lsusports.net/src/data/lsu/assets/docs/ad/policymanual/pdf/502C.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=5200

Tennessee's initial eligibility requirements:

2.5 gpa, 820 SAT, 68 ACT

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=tennessee%20athletics%20initial%20eligibilitty%20requirements&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.utk.edu%2F~tccomply%2FRevised%2520Initial%2520Eligibility%2520Manual%2520110309.docx&ei=fTv4UoO_EtG4kQfmz4DoDA&usg=AFQjCNHNr1LjSmZWvvWaTsldmTVufDG4dw&sig2=TQFK18EQWzq_93czPUHcAQ&bvm=bv.60983673,d.eW0

If a recruit can meet the SEC academic requirements, there's a 99% chance he can meet UT's.

Our problems aren't a result of academic standards, they're a result of Mike Hamilton being a bad AD and hiring 3 bad coaches.
 
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Nocleats said:
Is it true that just because a player meets NCAA admission standards they may not be allowed into the University of Tennessee because its standards are higher than what the NCAA mandates? If that answer is yes, what about SEC standards as well? Ive heard things but nothing concrete. The Orlando Brown thing with Oklahoma made me wonder.:search:
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This all started when Shumaker was the Pres. He wanted UT to be compatible with the Ivy League schools so he had the admissions dept to ramp up difficulty getting in. The opposite happened with Vandy. And, look where they've been with Franklin!
 
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MedicT said:
Then please explain to this egghead, if that is what you are implying but are afraid to say, why Cutcliff has not himself won a NC as head coach?
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You claim Fulmer went downhill because of academic constraints (hence the reference to the eggheads,duh). The facts point to Cut's absence as being the main reason Fulmer struggled. The slide began after Sanders took over...then Cut came back for two 10-win seasons, followed by the Clawson disaster.

Cut was in the running for national coach of the year. Maybe you would care to explain why Fulmer "himself" has not gotten a sniff for another coaching job.
 
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orangeluvr said:
UT isn't an ivy league school. Continuing eligibility GPA requirements vary from school to school , 1.8 - 2.0 is typical. Juco players now must have a 2.5 in transferable subjects, incoming frosh at 4yr schools must have a 2.3.
The ncaa has legislated a double standard. :question:
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Believe me , there are ways around this. Ask Pig and C Patterson
 
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therealitytheory said:
You claim Fulmer went downhill because of academic constraints (hence the reference to the eggheads,duh). The facts point to Cut's absence as being the main reason Fulmer struggled. The slide began after Sanders took over...then Cut came back for two 10-win seasons, followed by the Clawson disaster.

Cut was in the running for national coach of the year. Maybe you would care to explain why Fulmer "himself" has not gotten a sniff for another coaching job.
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I can very quickly give you 6 million reasons why Coach Fulmer has not taken another head coaching job. At any rate, I have published facts regarding Coach Fulmer's career, you have nothing but speculation.
 
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fur burglar said:
LSU's initial eligibility requirements:

2. Achieve a minimum 2.5 grade point average (based on a 4.0 scale) in the core curriculum (stated above) at the time of graduation; and
3. Achieve a minimum SAT score of 820 or a minimum ACT sum composite score of 68.

http://www.lsusports.net/src/data/lsu/assets/docs/ad/policymanual/pdf/502C.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=5200

Tennessee's initial eligibility requirements:

2.5 gpa, 820 SAT, 68 ACT

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=tennessee%20athletics%20initial%20eligibilitty%20requirements&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.utk.edu%2F~tccomply%2FRevised%2520Initial%2520Eligibility%2520Manual%2520110309.docx&ei=fTv4UoO_EtG4kQfmz4DoDA&usg=AFQjCNHNr1LjSmZWvvWaTsldmTVufDG4dw&sig2=TQFK18EQWzq_93czPUHcAQ&bvm=bv.60983673,d.eW0

If a recruit can meet the SEC academic requirements, there's a 99% chance he can meet UT's.

Our problems aren't a result of academic standards, they're a result of Mike Hamilton being a bad AD and hiring 3 bad coaches.
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Exactly, our academic "difficulties" don't come from admission standards. The difficulties that we have relate to the APR and progress updates.

Here's how it works. To maintain satisfactory APR levels players have to meet certain benchmarks or percentages towards graduation each year. Most schools have a "University Studies" or some other catch-all major that a lot of athletes are put into. UT has done away with that major, in order to try to attain a top 25 national ranking. Now kids have to choose a more specific major early. If they don't like it and change their major to something different, and a lot of those credits don't transfer to the "new" major, then they won't meet the progress requirements under the APR.

Schools with U.S. majors, or something comparable, can move athletes in and out of those majors to keep their APR's up.

I'm so glad CBJ came in and cleaned up Doofey's APR mess and got us off the radar. Hopefully, he can keep it rolling.
 
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