Is it time for revolution?

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#527
FLVOL69 said:
Somehow I knew this would get linked to minorities.
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Do you really not know anything about drug laws? That's why drug laws came about, because of fear of
minorities. There's public records of this ****. Politicians would say things publicly like "we have to ban marijuana because it's what makes Mexicans so crazy" or "only blacks and Mexicans use this stuff and it makes them into sex crazed criminals".

I didn't link it to minorities, the politicians who created these oppressive laws did.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
We don't do that very well with the drugs that ARE legal, what makes you think that when we legalize highly addictive drugs like meth and cocaine that we would do better?
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How well have we been doing on them while they are illegal? They are still used and the war on drugs has been used to erode citizen rights and to increase the police state.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
We don't do that very well with the drugs that ARE legal, what makes you think that when we legalize highly addictive drugs like meth and cocaine that we would do better?
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Cigarettes are highly addictive and their usage has been decreasing dramatically the last couple of decades.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Do you really not know anything about drug laws? That's why drug laws came about, because of fear of
minorities. There's public records of this ****. Politicians would say things publicly like "we have to ban marijuana because it's what makes Mexicans so crazy" or "only blacks and Mexicans use this stuff and it makes them into sex crazed criminals".

I didn't link it to minorities, the politicians who created these oppressive laws did.
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Why do you think I brought up sex crazed negroes and cocaine? I've seen the articles, all based on fear and ignorance. Their claims are laughable at best.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Do you really not know anything about drug laws? That's why drug laws came about, because of fear of
minorities. There's public records of this ****. Politicians would say things publicly like "we have to ban marijuana because it's what makes Mexicans so crazy" or "only blacks and Mexicans use this stuff and it makes them into sex crazed criminals".

I didn't link it to minorities, the politicians who created these oppressive laws did.
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It's but only one reason. Esslinger was looking at his drug program being removed and turned to demonize pot to justify his department, which is where reefer madness came from. The Rockefeller's played a big role in the marijuana stamp act because hemp was the biggest opponent to their new get rich creation, plastic. I'm sure there are more examples but they are escaping me right now. Blaming it all on racism is false nonetheless
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
It's but only one reason. Esslinger was looking at his drug program being removed and turned to demonize pot to justify his department, which is where reefer madness came from. The Rockefeller's played a big role in the marijuana stamp act because hemp was the biggest opponent to their new get rich creation, plastic. I'm sure there are more examples but they are escaping me right now. Blaming it all on racism is false nonetheless
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It's not false; it wasn't the only reason but it clearly was part of it. It was used as scare tactics.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
It's but only one reason. Esslinger was looking at his drug program being removed and turned to demonize pot to justify his department, which is where reefer madness came from. The Rockefeller's played a big role in the marijuana stamp act because hemp was the biggest opponent to their new get rich creation, plastic. I'm sure there are more examples but they are escaping me right now. Blaming it all on racism is false nonetheless
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Racism was a big reason for the legislation passing. where there other issues, sure. But racism was a major factor.

I don't believe I called it the only factor, but if I did, I was wrong to say that.

Still it was a major factor.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Racism was a big reason for the legislation passing. where there other issues, sure. But racism was a major factor.

I don't believe I called it the only factor, but if I did, I was wrong to say that.

Still it was a major factor.
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It was a major factor in the sense that that would get them the votes, not the driving motive though.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Well, I don't know about steriods, but steroids certainly are. Of course they are abused... illegally... but so are pain killers. I see you would like for any drug to be abused with no consequence. There are always consequences. If you kill yourself, I couldn't care less, but the potential is to kill someone else in your quest to be high, and that I do have a problem with. Meth is a highly addictive drug, and your belief that making it legal will make it less dangerous is naive and just plain stupid.
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By your definition cocaine and marijuana are also legal, along with morphine.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
It was a major factor in the sense that that would get them the votes, not the driving motive though.
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And without the votes the legislation would have never passed. An argument could probably be made that without the racist sentiment that they would not have had the votes.
 
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Vol8188 said:
And without the votes the legislation would have never passed. An argument could probably be made that without the racist sentiment that they would not have had the votes.
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Absolutely not, that's why they had to demonize it. You made it sound as though the laws were racist at their core, the racism was just propaganda to garner votes.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
Absolutely not, that's why they had to demonize it. You made it sound as though the laws were racist at their core, the racism was just propaganda to garner votes.
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I think it's fair to claim that drug laws have their roots in racism. Without the racism they would never have passed. Also keeping Mexicans out of Texas was a very important reason in that area. Where their other factors, of course.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
How well have we been doing on them while they are illegal? They are still used and the war on drugs has been used to erode citizen rights and to increase the police state.
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Not very well, that is true, but make meth and cocaine legal, and usage will probably increase. Probably. With that comes problems resulting from that, and that is where the danger to society lies. Like I said, I couldn't care less if he gets coked up and kills himself, it's when he takes an innocent bystander with him that I have the problem. Then you have the problem of having to support a habit of drugs that are expensive (insert his price coming down argument here). But when people do meth and coke they likely aren't going to work in any productive manner as these drugs do not lend themselves to "responsible" usage. So they burden society.
 
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Vol8188 said:
By your definition cocaine and marijuana are also legal, along with morphine.
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Morphine is legal. I had a Jeopardy button in the hospital hooked to a morphine drip that was wired into my right arm. Marijuana... Colorado, Washington.... next.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Not very well, that is true, but make meth and cocaine legal, and usage will probably increase. Probably. With that comes problems resulting from that, and that is where the danger to society lies. Like I said, I couldn't care less if he gets coked up and kills himself, it's when he takes an innocent bystander with him that I have the problem. Then you have the problem of having to support a habit of drugs that are expensive (insert his price coming down argument here). But when people do meth and coke they likely aren't going to work in any productive manner as these drugs do not lend themselves to "responsible" usage. So they burden society.
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What basis do you have that "usage will increase"?

They already take innocent bystanders all the time, especially when you factor in the crime committed do to drug traffic.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
So? They do incredible damage to you.

And alcohol sure as heck does.
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Yup. No doubt. How many recreational meth users do you know? And by that I mean somebody that only does it once in awhile. I'll wager none, and if you do, they are by and large the exception.

And smoking cigarettes is just plain stupid. But you more than likely won't kill anybody else when you are "high" on nicotine. You are only killing yourself. Again, no problem with that.

And I was agreeing with you in one respect that we do not do a good job of enforcing legal drug abuse. DUIs should go to jail for offense one IMHO, but they don't. Unfortunately
 
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