Is it Personnel or Scheme?

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I've never pretended to understand football schemes, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. I'm a fan, period.

However, I like most, understand and appreciate a good athlete when I see one. That said, it appears our athletes on defense are markedly better, we just don't have enough of them. The secondary, from a speed standpoint seems to be the weak link.

Football gurus, what is it? Is the scheme that bad or am I misreading our athleticism? Or is it a combination of both?

I'll hang up and listen.
 
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Neither. We are great on offense and great on defense minus a few busted plays that have lost us some close games. Schemes are on target with a top notch defense and Dooley is doing a great job.









"Sarcasm"- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
 
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Our secondary and LBs have legit FCS level speed.

They are poorly coached and do not follow their assignments.

Not sure scheme is a problem, though I have always preferred a 4-3.
 
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WesternKyVol said:
Our secondary and LBs have legit FCS level speed.

They are poorly coached and do not follow their assignments.

Not sure scheme is a problem, though I have always preferred a 4-3.
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speed and our defense do not seem to belong in the same sentence
 
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barknoxbrawler said:
Neither. We are great on offense and great on defense minus a few busted plays that have lost us some close games. Schemes are on target with a top notch defense and Dooley is doing a great job.









"Sarcasm"- Dr. Sheldon Cooper
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Bazinga?
 
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It seems if Bonner and Gray grow into respectable corners, and McNeil develops, we should be better on the back end. The problem again goes back to depth. The thing that stood out was that 3rd and goal from the 26 that resulted in the TD. The statement that Griese made was telling, "Why are you in that defense in that situation?"

I fear it might be more coaching/scheme than it is our kids.
 
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WesternKyVol said:
Our secondary and LBs have legit FCS level speed.

They are poorly coached and do not follow their assignments.

Not sure scheme is a problem, though I have always preferred a 4-3.
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Closest to the truth. We need better players. Contrary to popular belief, Sal does not coach giving up touchdowns. You have to get off blocks and make tackles. You have to cover folks and defend passes. 3/4 is harder to teach. Not harder to play. Coaches make calls. Players make plays.
 
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Donvolson said:
Most of the starters on both sides of the ball are 4 star athletes
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Yes. But are they putting in a four star effort to improve themselves? How much are they invested in improving their own performance? When does their pride kick in and they get fed up with losing? What kind of heart do they have? More to it than star rankings. Those are given out by journalists.
 
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I am no guru either but it has to be scheme. I just don't get the 10+ yard pads given to the wideouts game in and game out.
 
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When you can't press and jam wideouts you have to stay back or get burned deep. So you have to play off coverage. So now, when you play off coverage you are open to all sorts of combo routes and double moves. It is still on the players. Schemes do not play a down of football. Neither do coaches. We need better players. Or a better coach, to get better players. Not the scheme.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I am no guru either but it has to be scheme. I just don't get the 10+ yard pads given to the wideouts game in and game out.
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To me, they should. If the opposing WRs run 4.4-4.5 and our DBs collectively average 4.7-4.8, I'd think bend but don't break is our only option.

Clearly we're doing a lot more breaking than bending.
 
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It's been the coaching since the BCS Championship. WE have great athletes that commit their careers with the UT coaching staff year after year and quite frankly, I feel bad for the kids. There, I said it. My operators are standing. Bye.
 
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PimpVol said:
When you can't press and jam wideouts you have to stay back or get burned deep. So you have to play off coverage. So now, when you play off coverage you are open to all sorts of combo routes and double moves. It is still on the players. Schemes do not play a down of football. Neither do coaches. We need better players. Or a better coach, to get better players. Not the scheme.
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How do you explain this year vs. last year? Arguably less talent and less experience and better defensive production in 2011.
 
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The 3-4 puts a lot of pressure on linebackers and secondary. The secondary is slow. The linebackers are working but are also a step slow. The fact that there are 3 coaches for linebackers, corners, and safeties doesn't make it easier to work as a unit in a scheme that is unfamiliar to all of them. You can't coach speed but you can coach assignments as ONE unit, not three.
 
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KnoxVillain said:
How do you explain this year vs. last year? Arguably less talent and less experience and better defensive production in 2011.
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This defense exposes bad players more. Last year we bled to death by knife pokes. This year is a machete to the neck. Both will kill you. One is faster and more precise. Same outcome though. Death.
 
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It's coaching and scheme. 2/3rds of the way through the season we still have players running around not knowing where to line up and who to cover pre-snap. Its the coaches job to teach this to the players so that its second nature. Personally I think Sal is coaching Bama's scheme to lower level players. Had he simply adopted Wilcox's scheme we'd have 6-wins right now.
 
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PimpVol said:
This defense exposes bad players more. Last year we bled to death by knife pokes. This year is a machete to the neck. Both will kill you. One is faster and more precise. Same outcome though. Death.
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I'd rather have the knife pokes and not giving up 500 yards a game and 30+ points.
 
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beavbullvol said:
I've never pretended to understand football schemes, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. I'm a fan, period.

However, I like most, understand and appreciate a good athlete when I see one. That said, it appears our athletes on defense are markedly better, we just don't have enough of them. The secondary, from a speed standpoint seems to be the weak link.

Football gurus, what is it? Is the scheme that bad or am I misreading our athleticism? Or is it a combination of both?

I'll hang up and listen.
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I remember one point in the game where the scheme was awful. SC drove it down to the goal line and got pushed back to like the 30 yd line for 3rd down. It's third and goal and you know Spurrier is going deep on you to try and score and we play one safety....and they scored. It was a pretty bad call
 
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