Is it Debord, OLine or Dobbs?

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Biopsyman said:
This has never. Even discussed before
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Yes, but did the OP see the answer he liked? Cause that's why new threads get started over and over again - logically people should get different audience and answers they are looking for if they only start new threads on the same damn forum. :crazy:
 
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I'd throw the WR coach in there too. WR can't get off coverage and get open. When was the last time we had a dominate display from one? Of course we don't throw quick slants or outs very much either.
 
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Tin Man said:
Wait... Are sensible suggestions allowed on FF threads? Should Sara save herself by retreating to the Endzone threads where regulars will embrace her?
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The question is, would Sara want to be embraced by the regulars? :crazy:
 
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jdhallvols said:
If it is Debord he should do the honorable thing and throw himself on a sword.

Azzanni will probably be given the OC reigns and that might be interesting. Throw the d*^# ball down the field !!

The OLine is porous but why?

Dobbs. Well there is Dobbs. He really doesn't throw the ball down the field accurately much but is that due to the scheme, his skills and/or Oline?

Anyway the truth is probably a little bit of all of the above but I do believe Azzanni will be our next OC whether we like it or not.

What say you?
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if you don't like the offense that Tennessee runs you may as well stop trying to find something to point a finger at. This offense belongs to Butch Jones. Coaches can change, quarterbacks can change, wide receivers can change but the offense is Butch Jones.

The only thing going to change this offense and offensive philosophy is a head coach who believes or has another system. Be best to look for a head coach whose system you like..

JMO
 
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WildTurkey said:
The OL was not a problem on Dobbs' two INTs vs SC. Nor was it a problem vs A&M when Dobbs had two INTs and two fumbles. The OL has not been anything to brag about, but it's been serviceable.

Dobbs - for all his wow moments and intelligence, has looked lost at times doing something that should be 2nd nature at this stage in his career. He's either un-coachable or not coached correctly. I guess I only eliminated one option. We need to lose Dobbs and Debord.
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All need replaced. Deborg needs to be fired asap along with o line coach if Jones wants to stay past next year. I think Jones is a 8 and 4 coach at best. Is this what we really want? He should have pulled Dobbs last week. Terrible coaching all year long. And what about Shoop. He has never had this much talent and done so little with it. I say fire Butch asap and let him take his cronies with him.
 
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If we had Sam Pittman and a top notch S&C coach, OL wouldn't be an issue.

If we had a true QB coach, Dobbs wouldn't be the problem.

If our OC studied film and was more proactive vs reactive then OC wouldn't be the problem.
 
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seriously...the OL isn't stellar, but outside UA nobody has "lived" in our backfield. Dobbs had time last Sat...he just couldn't complete a pass. While I love the story and everything he stands for...the young man isn't and never will be a great QB (which IMO is primarily a passing concept). Sure he stretches the field with his legs, but once that is gone....so goes everything. Great young man, great embassador and model student-athelete.....just not a QB.

As for Debord, well....this is the same offense that was 3rd in the SEC and 29th in scoring last year. Nothing significant has changed from a player persepective. Other teams have just caught on....Muschamp said it best....we just need him to be a QB.

Therein lies the rub....Dobbs is a great young man, leader and probably has the team on his side due to all the above. Not sure how a change at QB would go now....but, unless they design some spot plays on the outside and let Dobbs throw to a point, with the reciever going and fighting for the ball, just don't see much changing in the passing game this year.
 
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jdhallvols said:
If it is Debord he should do the honorable thing and throw himself on a sword.

Azzanni will probably be given the OC reigns and that might be interesting. Throw the d*^# ball down the field !!

The OLine is porous but why?

Dobbs. Well there is Dobbs. He really doesn't throw the ball down the field accurately much but is that due to the scheme, his skills and/or Oline?

Anyway the truth is probably a little bit of all of the above but I do believe Azzanni will be our next OC whether we like it or not.

What say you?
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I say it is your fault. Clean out your desk, your ass is fired.
 
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We have yet to see the REAL Butch Jones' offense. They are afraid to allow Dobbs to attempt anything more than a few rudimentary pass routes - mainly short passes in the flat or behind the line.

A new QB next year who is a real passer will do wonders for offensive production.
 
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LWS I think Butch's system can work, but I think he needs someone running it that has a great feel for the flow of the game and a QB who can consistently read defenses. I think that had been the biggest problem. I was interested in your thoughts.
 
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discontent523 said:
LWS I think Butch's system can work, but I think he needs someone running it that has a great feel for the flow of the game and a QB who can consistently read defenses. I think that had been the biggest problem. I was interested in your thoughts.
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and the OL has been a huge problem this year, more so than QB IMO. another QB not as mobile has Dobbs would have had many more problems.

Dobbs has been sacked 19 times and thrown 11 Interceptions. Dormady. for example, would be a sitting duck back there if Dobbs can't escape

I don't if someone else can do better or not. Is DeBord better than Bajakian at running Butch's offense? When you compare last years offensive stats to those with Jake, DeBord blows him away.

Yards rushing D-2908 B-2901 & 2261

Yards passing D-2582 B-2914 & 1979

Total Yards D-5490 B-4817 & 4240

Pts AVG D-35.2 B-29.9 & 23.8

Could go on but DeBord seems much better than Bajakian

I supposed someone else could be better but he is still going to the play book, system, game plan and plays to be used in game from Butch. I suppose someone else might call it different and better. I would have to question how much it would actually improve though
 
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jdhallvols said:
If it is Debord he should do the honorable thing and throw himself on a sword.

Azzanni will probably be given the OC reigns and that might be interesting. Throw the d*^# ball down the field !!

The OLine is porous but why?

Dobbs. Well there is Dobbs. He really doesn't throw the ball down the field accurately much but is that due to the scheme, his skills and/or Oline?

Anyway the truth is probably a little bit of all of the above but I do believe Azzanni will be our next OC whether we like it or not.

What say you?
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Butch.
 
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Hands said:
All need replaced. Deborg needs to be fired asap along with o line coach if Jones wants to stay past next year. I think Jones is a 8 and 4 coach at best. Is this what we really want? He should have pulled Dobbs last week. Terrible coaching all year long. And what about Shoop. He has never had this much talent and done so little with it. I say fire Butch asap and let him take his cronies with him.
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A negavol gets a new handle. Must be a Bama fan for the Cleveland area.
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
If we had Sam Pittman and a top notch S&C coach, OL wouldn't be an issue.

If we had a true QB coach, Dobbs wouldn't be the problem.

If our OC studied film and was more proactive vs reactive then OC wouldn't be the problem.
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Pittman has a poor OL this year as well. He is not a solution.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
A negavol gets a new handle. Must be a Bama fan for the Cleveland area.
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I hate Bama and don't even like a Bama fan. Just stating the truth as I see it. Dooley could coach these players better than butch and his fine group of assistants.
 
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WildTurkey said:
The OL was not a problem on Dobbs' two INTs vs SC. Nor was it a problem vs A&M when Dobbs had two INTs and two fumbles. The OL has not been anything to brag about, but it's been serviceable.

Dobbs - for all his wow moments and intelligence, has looked lost at times doing something that should be 2nd nature at this stage in his career. He's either un-coachable or not coached correctly. I guess I only eliminated one option. We need to lose Dobbs and Debord.
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you must have been watching different games than me. Especially in the A&M game. In the SC game the first INT his guard got pushed into his lap as he was releasing the ball.

No matter how well Debord calls plays or Dobbs plays QB if he is not protected that all goes out the window. There are times that the line plays great and blocks well there are spurts of it in each game the problem is consistency. They are more consistently bad than not and that wears on both they QB and the OC because they have to have faith in them to call plays and execute. Trust me an all world O-line can cover up bad play calling and allow a QB to perform a lot better. Dobbs is a lot better QB than he has been able to show at UT much like Hurd. The good news is that we are finally starting to see kids come in at O-line and develop some and this year we have had the chance to get a lot of guys live game snaps. Dobbs' pain will pave the way for the next QB.

That being said, he is not done writing his legacy here.
 
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Bebord, IMO. The o-line and Dobbs sure haven't helped, especially the oline. But there are ways to help hide a shaky line through play calling, and Dobbs may not pass great but he sure can run. Debord fails to playcall to help either one. Instead we decide to drop back into the pocket where the oline can't block long enough and Dobbs can't escape the pressure when said pocket finally collapses. All 3 are factors one why the offense stalls but opinion is debord is the root of most the shortcomings.
 
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The last game was Dobbs. He had is check down underneath most of the night.. Muschamp sat back in zone and Dobbs forced a couple of throws. The fumble wasn't his fault. He threw some awful passes when he had guys wide open, in the dirt a few times. This offense is based on your trigger man executing. He simply didn't last week.

He's not running much this year either. A big part of last years offense. Without the threat of Dobbs legs, he's not much of a threat at all.
 
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Is it Debord, OLine, Dobbs, Dline, DB's or Butch Jones?

All the above:loco:
 
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