Is Hurd a waste of down?

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If Kamara doesn't fumble on the inside the 10 yard line, the game may have had a different outcome. Does Hurd fumble there? Don't think so - not after his embarrassment against UGA.
 
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BruiserVol said:
Well I can tell you one thing. All year we've blamed the OL and said well there's nowhere to run. Sure looked like Kamara and Kelly could find some space.
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They sure did....but we'll never know how much Hurd would've gotten against that weak aTm defense.....so it's really an unfair and illegitimate comparison...

Kamara and Kelly played extremely well yesterday.....Kamara definitely needs to see the field more....but he is versatile and could even play in the slot.....

Either way--what is obvious to me is that Hurd and Kamara need to be on the field at the same time...most of the time....

just like Tyler Byrd should be starting at one WR position ahead of Malone....

:salute:
 
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Did you notice the Oline played much better Saturday than at anytime this year. Hurd would also have had a great day. Both backs are great split the work load 50/50. I would consider seeing play at slot for both.
 
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For what it's worth, my stance has always been that we should start Kamara. I actually brought this up before the season started and got ripped to shreds for it.

That being said..... what's great about this board is that Kamara is now officially one bad game away from the fanbase reaching back to the "good ole days" when we were undefeated and starting Hurd.
 
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fossilfiction said:
Man this place can really suck after a lose. On track to be the all time leading rusher and some think he has been a waste of a down? You should watch his highlights. Hurd is much better than Volnation is giving him credit for. Who is to say he wouldn't have had a big night against the Aggies? The oline played pretty good all game.
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Exactly!!! Well, there goes my hopes of him staying for his senior year!!! You know he probably gets on here, along with most other players, and reads this crap! The lack of love and pure stupidity will cause him to declare early!!! And if he doesn't read it, you know his uncle will! SMH
 
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Harts master plan is coming to fruition. He manuevered CBJ to put Hurd in a place to get injured. Now Kamara, the Bama plant, will start and fall, fumble, and drop passes insuring another Bama win. Bama userpers in our beloved program. All we are missing is a grassy knoll, am I right?
 
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TennMan101 said:
Exactly!!! Well, there goes my hopes of him staying for his senior year!!! You know he probably gets on here, along with most other players, and reads this crap! The lack of love and pure stupidity will cause him to declare early!!! And if he doesn't read it, you know his uncle will! SMH
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You got that right.
 
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TennMan101 said:
Exactly!!! Well, there goes my hopes of him staying for his senior year!!! You know he probably gets on here, along with most other players, and reads this crap! The lack of love and pure stupidity will cause him to declare early!!! And if he doesn't read it, you know his uncle will! SMH
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Ridiculous....

If he make his decision based on VolNation horse sh!t he sure ain't as smart as I thought..

Also, his 'uncle' should know better than to take this crap seriously and shouldn't respond to it..
 
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#187
Hurd IS a great running back...but he does look like the kind of back that needs a lead blocker and an offset or power I formation.

I think he could put up Heisman caliber numbers in a different offense...but honestly, Kamara and Kelly are better fits for the offense that Jones and DeBord are running.

That doesn't mean that we bench him, but I do think there is value to having Kamara taking more snaps earlier in the game.
 
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Davidacrna said:
I've never posted before, but felt the need here.

Hurd no doubt is a beast, and an awesome running back. In no way would I ever question his dedication or anything like that, and we all are grateful for his contributions.

However, almost every person I have talked to who watched the game saw the same thing. Kamara just looks better. He's got such speed and lateral movement that Hurd doesn't have. Hurd has looked slow this year or maybe he has been injured. The offensive line being atrocious also taken into account. But just the explosiveness of Kamara and Kelly is obvious.
Stating an opinion that one RB looks better right now doesn't make anyone a Hurd hater. He is the man and we all know it, and he should continue to play when healthy. But Kamara needs more touches period.
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Solid first post.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Kamara was averaging around 5 YPC before the really long runs....
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Kamara is fast and elusive enough to break the really long runs on a more consistent basis. IMO

Praise for Kamara doesn't necessarily mean condemnation of Hurd. Both are valuable and needed.
 
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TennMan101 said:
Exactly!!! Well, there goes my hopes of him staying for his senior year!!! You know he probably gets on here, along with most other players, and reads this crap! The lack of love and pure stupidity will cause him to declare early!!! And if he doesn't read it, you know his uncle will! SMH
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Davidacrna said:
I've never posted before, but felt the need here.

Hurd no doubt is a beast, and an awesome running back. In no way would I ever question his dedication or anything like that, and we all are grateful for his contributions.

However, almost every person I have talked to who watched the game saw the same thing. Kamara just looks better. He's got such speed and lateral movement that Hurd doesn't have. Hurd has looked slow this year or maybe he has been injured. The offensive line being atrocious also taken into account. But just the explosiveness of Kamara and Kelly is obvious.
Stating an opinion that one RB looks better right now doesn't make anyone a Hurd hater. He is the man and we all know it, and he should continue to play when healthy. But Kamara needs more touches period.
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Agree, good first post. Karmara is explosive (we ran more screens against A&M that actually worked). Screen game went from worst in the SEC to top 4 IMO.

I'll get flamed by many for saying this and it's primarily speculation, but I won't be surprised if Hurd is out for more than one game, possibly a lot more.
 
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utvols74 said:
If Kamara doesn't fumble on the inside the 10 yard line, the game may have had a different outcome. Does Hurd fumble there? Don't think so - not after his embarrassment against UGA.
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Jalen never would've gotten there, to the 10 yard line like Kamara did IMO.
 
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KBVol said:
In 31 career games at Tennessee, Jalen has one game where he averaged 6.9 ypc and one where he averaged 7.6 ypc (only carried 14 times).

This is a very pertinent point.....Now apply it in reverse to Kamara's ONE GAME performance...

Do you think KAMARA would still have a 7 ypc average if he were responsible for carrying the LOAD of our rushing attack over a 31 game sample size?

I don't...statistically, the more rushing attempts a RB has--any RB--the LESS YPC he has...

Kamara has always had the advantage of fewer rushing attempts and fresh legs because he has NEVER had to be the workhorse of our running attack.

There is no doubt at all that Kamara has better acceleration and "shiftiness" to make guys miss...and Kamara's power is under-rated...

However--no one should assume that Kamara's great performance in one game against a subpar aTm defense would extrapolate to a better performance if he would have the same number of rushing attempts over 31 games as Hurd....

That's all I'm saying....and that we really could've used Jalen in that aTm game....and yes, I do believe he could've provided us with a winning edge in the game...

GO VOLS!
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MikeVol44 said:
KBVol said:
In 31 career games at Tennessee, Jalen has one game where he averaged 6.9 ypc and one where he averaged 7.6 ypc (only carried 14 times).

This is a very pertinent point.....Now apply it in reverse to Kamara's ONE GAME performance...

Do you think KAMARA would still have a 7 ypc average if he were responsible for carrying the LOAD of our rushing attack over a 31 game sample size?

I don't...statistically, the more rushing attempts a RB has--any RB--the LESS YPC he has...

Kamara has always had the advantage of fewer rushing attempts and fresh legs because he has NEVER had to be the workhorse of our running attack.

There is no doubt at all that Kamara has better acceleration and "shiftiness" to make guys miss...and Kamara's power is under-rated...

However--no one should assume that Kamara's great performance in one game against a subpar aTm defense would extrapolate to a better performance if he would have the same number of rushing attempts over 31 games as Hurd....

That's all I'm saying....and that we really could've used Jalen in that aTm game....and yes, I do believe he could've provided us with a winning edge in the game...

GO VOLS!
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Why couldn't Kamara handle the load? Everyone thinks he's some little ole scat back, he goes 5'10 215 or so and is the same size as Dalvin cook who carries the load for FSU.
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Nationdom said:
Why couldn't Kamara handle the load? Everyone thinks he's some little ole scat back, he goes 5'10 215 or so and is the same size as Dalvin cook who carries the load for FSU.
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Excuse me, sir.....but I NEVER said that Kamara COULDN'T handle the load.....

BTW--How many games has Cook missed due to injuries???

Kamara has never had to carry the load.....there's a big difference!!

Kamara's build and different set of gifts running the ball would probably keep him from taking some of the hits that Jalen does....

But my point was that there is a HUGE difference in being the workhorse RB in the amount of physical abuse you receive....
 
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MikeVol44 said:
KBVol said:
In 31 career games at Tennessee, Jalen has one game where he averaged 6.9 ypc and one where he averaged 7.6 ypc (only carried 14 times).

This is a very pertinent point.....Now apply it in reverse to Kamara's ONE GAME performance...

Do you think KAMARA would still have a 7 ypc average if he were responsible for carrying the LOAD of our rushing attack over a 31 game sample size?

I don't...statistically, the more rushing attempts a RB has--any RB--the LESS YPC he has...

Kamara has always had the advantage of fewer rushing attempts and fresh legs because he has NEVER had to be the workhorse of our running attack.

There is no doubt at all that Kamara has better acceleration and "shiftiness" to make guys miss...and Kamara's power is under-rated...

However--no one should assume that Kamara's great performance in one game against a subpar aTm defense would extrapolate to a better performance if he would have the same number of rushing attempts over 31 games as Hurd....

That's all I'm saying....and that we really could've used Jalen in that aTm game....and yes, I do believe he could've provided us with a winning edge in the game...

GO VOLS!
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2015 and 2016 (to date).....in the same offense, same coaches, same OL.....

Hurd - 407 touches, 1,964 yds, 4.8 avg, 18 td

AK- 217 touches, 1,534 tds, 7.1 avg, 15 td

Look, I'm in no way trying to disparage Jalen, he's a stud and a central figure to our offense. I'm not arguing his role should be significantly diminished and I'm certainly not saying he shouldn't start or, GOD forbid, be benched. So don't get it twisted.

I'm just continuing my argument from last year and the off-season. Alvin Kamara needs to be a much, much bigger part of this offense. The fact that he got 6 carries to Hurd's 28 vs App State and 3 carries to Hurd's 22 vs Va Tech is utterly ridiculous.

IMHO and what I believe is an informed opinion, the split between those 2 should be much closer to 50/50...not 85% in favor of Hurd. We have two outstanding, future NFL rbs and we need to exploit the full, very different skill sets of both.
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