Is Florida Really a Better Job Than Tennessee?

Here’s why Florida is not a better job. Their fan base is not nearly as loyal as ours. They have a better recruiting base but is diluted by several major schools vying for the same recruits. Their facilities aren’t as good as ours. Their traditions are not in same zip code as most of the storied programs as other SEC programs. But most of all they just suck.
 
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Yep. Although I do think people sell TN short way too often. Tennessee football often brings in more money than everyone except those that have their own network/tv deal. (Texas and Notre Dame) Tennessee has the most loyal and best fans bar none. Tn has plenty of well-heeled boosters, top notch facilities tons of history, unique traditions.

Our biggest detriment, in state recruits, has really picked up and better than it was in the 90's.

So what hurts us now? Two things.

1. Saban and Alabama. Saban has eroded the attractiveness of every SEC coaching job. This is in addition to the well known rigors of an SEC schedule, a conference I and many believe to be the best and the toughest and hardest to compete in. Even people who say we've lost ground to ACC, still fear the SEC, and should.

2. The resurgence of Clemson and the ACC, and Georgia. During our last period of greatness, there existed a college football vacuum in the states of North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia. We owned those areas and even had a decent amount of fans in the hilly areas of the Carolinas. Tennessee was the place you went if you were from that area, wanted to play for a dominant college team and had NFL aspirations. Now that Clemson is a premier team and piedmont powerhouse, our recruiting ties in those areas are thin, and eroding fast. Perhaps the vacuum has been reversed, just look at Cade Mays for reference. Our recruiting dominance in Georgia was short lived and due primarily to a down UGA program and Rodney Garner. Garner gave us the state of Georgia and then gave it right back to Georgia when we let him get away to the bulldogs, he stayed there till 2012 along the way destroyed any recruiting superhighway linking the peach state to knoxville. Guys like Jamal Lewis wearing Orange just wasnt going to happen very often into the 2000's with Richt and Garner closing their border down.

During the post Garner years Fulmer adjusted smartly by going West, establishing a strong California connection with guys like Clausen, kevin simon, arian foster, kevin burnett donte stallworth etc. He did this cause he had to, and looking back it was genius, and quite remarkable. That kept us relevant for several more years where many coaches (like Dooley) wouldnt have put in that effort. Fulmer built a cali to knoxville pipeline that lasted until the USC resurgence. Basically Fulmer was a salvage specialist, and impressively foumd those vacuums and exploited them. We used to get quality players from Alabama and LSU as well.

Until we find a coach with similar methods of working hard to establish relationships anywhere and everywhere across the USA, finding those voids and building those pipelines...Or we can hire a Rock Star like Gruden, whose name recognition alone gets him into living rooms across the nation. Until then we will be a middle of the pack team.

So it is not an easy button type job, hard work on the recruiting trail is a prerequisite, unless you are a rock star. And that is what pushes Tennessee out of the range of top ten jobs, making it less desirable for the Chip Kelly's of the world.
 
Does the fact that Florida has won 25 of the last 32 head-to-head meetings do anything to answer this question?
 
Btw i gave the long answer above in an effort to avoid answering the question.

I refuse to say Yes _ _ _ _ _ _ _ is a better job.
 
How can we quantify "better".

I mean Missippii State could be argued as a better job than Florida.

Urban Meyer had to walk away from that place lol. With 2 NCs in 5 years. But the place was killing him slowly...

Mclwien got fired after getting to Atlanta his 1st 2 years.

Meanwhile Mullen is making 4 mil in Starkvile to create barely above .500 ball clubs.

Gators own the Vols on the field.
I mean...OWN.

But Gainesville is sad.

Tennessee has better history and present day culture imo...
 
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I bleed orange and have for years, but I can be realistic. Right now UF is the better job. They have an athletic department that is committed to winning, not just in football, but in every sport. We do not have that.

The argument so many have used on here about recruits is total BS. Yes Florida has many schools it recruits against in state. But everyone on here acts like ALL TOP notch recruits in Tennessee will go to UT. Think about how crazy that idea truly is. Bama, UGA, UMiss, AU, Mutate, LSU, Arky all recruit TENN hard and pull players. So we have to fight plenty of schools.
 
We will see why Florida is a better job than Tennessee when they hire their top target Scott Frost and we will end up with our 6th target Jeff Brohm. Makes me sick.
 
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Bottom line: We got another incompetent AD. Just a string of bad hires over the last 15 years or so. The athletic department simply isn't invested in winning. They may never be. Heck, if you keep selling out games and selling t-shirts, why change?
 
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It's easier to recruit there for sure. Florida and Georgia are loaded with talented kids. We could be a better program with the right coach but they've beaten us 12 of the last 13 meetings. Mostly due to inept coaching on our part but still.
 
We will see why Florida is a better job than Tennessee when they hire their top target Scott Frost and we will end up with our 6th target Jeff Brohm. Makes me sick.

I think if Nebraska comes calling Frost goes back home. Either way I agree with the rest of your post until I see different. They will land a good coach.
 
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Muschamp was a very hot commodity when Florida got him. He had already turned Tennessee down atleast once before he went to Florida.
 
Resources:
SEC's best overall athletic program 27 out of the last 33 years, a donor base with deep pockets, and leadership committed to winning. Football facilities are indeed dated, but updates are on the way.

History:
Recent national titles in all three major men's sports. Three football national titles and two Heismans in the last 20 years. I'll take our recent history with high school kids born in the early 2000s versus anything UT accomplished before or after "our football history started in 1990". :)
As much as it pains me to say this: You are absolutely right. And FU is a better academic school as well in most programs.

But it is still Gainesville.
 
FU has another advantage. In the odd years where their program suchs, they can just change their allegiance and go a few miles down the interstate and cheer for the Seminoles.



Oh wait.....
 
We will see why Florida is a better job than Tennessee when they hire their top target Scott Frost and we will end up with our 6th target Jeff Brohm. Makes me sick.

I would be past shocked if Brohm ended up here. He would have to pay Purdue at least 4 million just to get out of the contract he is in. To top that, he is making 3.3 million, so even with a substantial raise, it would take three to four years to offset that payback. UT isn't going to pay that one...not after forking out 8+ for the current issue.
 
I'm hearing media folks say that between Florida and Tennessee any coach would take Florida over Tennessee. One comment was that "it's easier to win a championship at Florida than it is at Tennessee. Really? Then why'd you hire Muschamp and McElwain if that were true? The recruiting area is about the only advantage Florida might have over Tennessee.

Florida is a Top 5 job in the country for Recruiting base alone, not to mention they have great facilities, good administration and the the beach close by.
 
When all things are clicking for both sides, I think Florida is a slightly better job than UT. Facilities and location (Knoxville > Gainesville) go to Tennessee. Recruiting and AD Florida wins. Both can be amazing places, we've seen it before.

One thing that could help us is Florida sure looked quick to pull the trigger on a guy that won the division the last 2 years. Tennessee at least appears to be giving Butch every opportunity to keep this job. Maybe that helps us, maybe not. Depends on the coach I suppose.
 
Florida may be a better job, but I don't know if many coaches would want to coach there after the Jim McElwain situation.

1. Having to win the East every year gives you literally no margin of error as a coach.

2. How the AD at Florida essentially forced McElwain to take a smaller buyout is not a good look...especially after winning two East division titles.

3. In general, to be treated this way after winning two division titles just doesn't look good nationally.

Also, just because Florida fired their head coach first doesn't mean they get first pick. Look at LSU last year for example.

As a whole, I feel that if a coach had the choice between the relatively relaxed AD at TN or the tense, demanding AD at Florida, I would probably lean towards TN. Just my opinion though.
 
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