Is Florida Really a Better Job Than Tennessee?

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Regardless of whether it is actually a better job, it is perceived as one I think due to the recruiting advantages. Muschamp is a pretty good example. He was Texas' formal "coach in waiting." UT came calling and he passed. Then UF came calling and he went. But as the recruiting window closes, largely because Tennessee is generating more D1 talent, I think the "better" job will change year by year based on perception.
 
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Florida is said to have the absolute worst facilities in the SEC. UT is 2nd to none in that regard.
 
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A better job depends on the person who wants the job. Not that it's any comparison but after college I was offered two jobs in either sunny Florida or foggy and sometimes sunny NorCal where I from. I chose to go back home because I don't like hurricanes and I didn't want to stay in Knoxville.
 
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orangeluvr said:
Your football history began in 1990 .
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Spurrier won the Heisman in 1966. Is that not significant history? UF had a few hellacious teams in the mid-80's, 84 and 85 in particular. UF won the national title in 85 according to the Sporting News, Sagarin, New York Times and others.

I'm not saying we're Notre Dame for the last hundred years, but we had flashes well before 1990.
 
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UtahVol said:
Regardless of whether it is actually a better job, it is perceived as one I think due to the recruiting advantages. Muschamp is a pretty good example. He was Texas' formal "coach in waiting." UT came calling and he passed. Then UF came calling and he went. But as the recruiting window closes, largely because Tennessee is generating more D1 talent, I think the "better" job will change year by year based on perception.
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It is perceived as better for a couple of reasons.

1. Recruiting

2. Let's exclude Spurrier and Meyer. Charley Pell fielded a Gator team that was ranked in the top 5 during his tenure. Galen Hall had a team that was ranked as high as #1. Ron Zook had a team ranked in the top 10 at one time. Will Muschamp had a team ranked as high #3. And Jim MacElwain also had a team that was ranked in the top 10 at one time. Doug Dickey and Ray Graves also fielded teams that were ranked in the top 10 at some point during the season.

That goes all the way back to 1960. So, even the guys who are not considered elite or were eventually fired, or what have you, managed to have some level of success during their time as a Florida head coach.
 
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Hey guys. Gators Fan, long time lurker, posted 2 years ago hence my outdated user name.

I think our programs are very identical. Once proud programs, who have been dragged down by bad hires. (Why did Dooley get hired!?)

The main difference, other than geographic recruiting advantages, is our administration is willing to can our coach quick. Jones needs to be gone yesterday. It sends a message that mediocracy is not acceptable to can a bad coach promptly.

I think I've heard your UAA is in debt? Is that why butchie may get another year?

Easier said the done, but be patient. It's cyclical, you'll win again.
 
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I a really think they are the same job.

Yes, FL has had more success the last 17 years, but so what. Tennessee has the facilities, tradition, fan base and money to compete with just about any school.

If we are targeting the same coach and money is the same, I would think the clincher is whose administration do you feel more comfortable with and where would you rather live.

The talent in TN is improving every year and biggest fish in the state. Someone stated FL produced 4:1 more D1 prospects but that's split between 4 or 5 schools.

Muschamp passed on us because of the huge void in talent he would be inheriting. It's different now. Right coach can win at either school. I for one like Knoxville much better than Gainesville and our facilities are much better
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
On paper? Probably
In reality? Nope. Gainesville is a sewer. The fans are scattered with FSU, Miami, and the others (CFU, FAU, SFU, etc). There is a reason they never won before Spurrier and only Meyer has managed to come close to that level.
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This.

Florida is in fertile recruiting ground, but they are competing with the other instate schools and the rest of the country for the kids there. UT recruits from a broader base, and the right coach will be able to recruit nationally much easier than Florida. Resources and support are pretty much the same. Both are top 10 gigs.
 
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Which gig is better will not determine which hires the coach that wins the most. Can you not agree that our last 3 coaches have been underwhelming, but also admit that 3 of the last 4 Fl coaches have also underwhelmed!! It is a crap shoot at the very best. Go back and look at the list of 130 D1 head coaches. Other than Saban and Meyer, who on that list could you be sure would fit and win at either school. I'm not seeing it and at $5M + per year it is a crap shoot. Bama went through a bunch and so did OU after their hey day.
 
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Smdh
I want Tennessee to get a home run coach in here so we can put all of these negative and bs narratives to bed.
So Florida is a better job than UT because they have better instate talent? Wrong... They have to share their state's talent with two other major programs (Miami and FSU). Also, Tennessee produces a lot more talent than people think. People make it out like Tennessee doesnt produce any talent, but we just produced the #1 prospect in the nation. UT gets the lions share of instate talent (because we are the only show in town unlike Florida) and we recruit strong in nearby states like Georgia.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Yes, Florida is a better job than Tennessee.

Resources and recruiting base aside, the relative success of our last several coaches are further proof.

OP mentioned Muschamp and McElwain, coaches who were fired in spite of a combined 6-1 record against Tennessee.
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What resources? Facilities are dated and not a stellar history.
 
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reeceb73 said:
The talent in TN is improving every year and biggest fish in the state. Someone stated FL produced 4:1 more D1 prospects but that's split between 4 or 5 schools.
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People also forget that Florida's population is like 4 times the population of Tennessee
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Our on the field success against you guys over the past three decades doesn't count?
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You've had much better coaches throughout that whole period. We've had neanderthals roaming the sidelines. Phillip Fulmer was pretty good, but he got lazy after winning the title. I heard from people inside the program that he did not even show up to practice half the time his last several years. Then we had Kiffin, Fooley, and now Botch. Your worst coaches the past few decades are as good as our best coach during that period. McElwain is basically Fulmer without Cutcliff calling the plays. It's really no surprise that you guys have been so successful againt us.
 
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Doesn't it depend on what you want in a job? I believe that Mullen thinks MSU is better than either. Makes just as much with less pressure and his family likes it better than Gainesville and probably better than Knoxville.
 
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Roustabout said:
What resources? Facilities are dated and not a stellar history.
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Resources:
SEC's best overall athletic program 27 out of the last 33 years, a donor base with deep pockets, and leadership committed to winning. Football facilities are indeed dated, but updates are on the way.

History:
Recent national titles in all three major men's sports. Three football national titles and two Heismans in the last 20 years. I'll take our recent history with high school kids born in the early 2000s versus anything UT accomplished before or after "our football history started in 1990". :)
 
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FU is not a top 5 job. Let's get real. Top 15-20? Sure. It's solidly outside the top 10 though (at least right now). It may be a better job than us right now due to recent success. But let's remember that 10 years ago, Bama wasn't even a top 20 job, imo. Now it'd be the No. 1 job on the market if it were available.

Jobs I'd solidly put over FU:

Bama
FSU
Georgia
Clemson
Texas
USC West
Oklahoma
Michigan
Ohio State
Penn State
Notre Dame
Texas A&M
LSU


After that, I'd lump Florida in with Tennessee, Auburn, Oklahoma State, V-TECH, UCLA, and Stanford.

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