Is Florida Really a Better Job Than Tennessee?

#53
#53
As a Tennessee 3rd generation Graduate and 5 digit a year Alumnus let me throw this out:

For real though. There are like 5 coaches in Florida

1 Scott Frost - UCF
2 Jimbo Fisher - FSU
3 Charlie Strong - USF
4 Mark Richt - Miami

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Jack Arse.. 5 Lane Kiffin - FAU that are like not laughable to be named next UT coach... just because of High School football down here.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
On paper? Probably
In reality? Nope. Gainesville is a sewer. The fans are scattered with FSU, Miami, and the others (CFU, FAU, SFU, etc). There is a reason they never won before Spurrier and only Meyer has managed to come close to that level.
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Meyer did get to that level. Just not a sustained level because he left.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
This is why I think the AD is critical.

Coaches are looking more at the ADs these days. I've said it a million times, but the reason Fuente went to Virginia Tech is because he felt comfortable with the AD Babcock. He could've taken a job higher on the "prestige totem pole" if he wanted to, but he didn't. When you look at how Florida canned McElwain, what USC did to Kiffin, and what LSU did to Les Miles, coaches are definitely looking at how the Athletic Departments are going to treat them nowadays. No coach wants to be in a situation where they are in Year 3 and lose a couple of close games and get fired, while they are still building up the program.

I think your analysis is basically right. Florida is easier to "turn around quickly" because of the recruiting turf, but is it actually a better job? In 1995, I would've said "yes." In 2005, I would've said "yes." In 2017, I lean towards "no." Tennessee is miles ahead on facilities and what it can sell recruits. Tennessee's own recruiting turf has improved significantly. Florida is still a better job for recruiting, but a coach might very well see "higher upside" at Tennessee. Which is why I think coaches will heavily analyze the AD.

The allure of Florida is still great enough so that they'll land a very good coach, minimum. But I don't think it's automatic any more that a coach would chose Florida over Tennessee.
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there's a lot of things that have turned around at TN between 2008 and today.

the recruiting in TN is a lot better, but you still will rely on GA, SC, NC, FL etc...for a lion's share of your roster.

and administratively, TN has not put it's best foot forward, and we're in year 1 of a new chancellor and AD, so any new coach is gonna have to be sold on that group being the answer to that issue.

Neither Currie nor Strickland hired either of these coaches, so they both have some wiggle room here.

i guarantee neither AD wanted to fire their coach in year 1 though.

but we've seen this play out before. we tried to hire Muschamp when he was still at TX. he said no. a year later, he took the FL job. so there's already some evidence to support the claim. this time around, you could see that play out, one way or the other, in the matter of a few days/weeks.

get ready. gonna be an interesting off season.
 
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rmcqueen78 said:
Florida doesn't have Alabama on the schedule every year so there is that...easier road to the east
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But Bama still is in the way of doing things past winning the East. which FL has made clear, that's what they're after.

don't win the east a lot, or consecutively, and not win the c'ship game.

that's not good enough....so there's that. and i'm not saying FL is wrong in having that expectation. i am saying that a candidate would have to consider that seeing as what happened with Mac.
 
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screenthis said:
Our Athletic Department issues are fixable as well. And, I believe the Recruiting advantage is over stated. I'll give you that for now, there's a perception issue though with Florida job being an easier place to win.
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that's a slow turner. i can break ground today on new facilities and have that problem fixed in definite time frame.

fixing our administrative issues not quite the same thing....and most definitely a TBD.
 
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jpope9 said:
the fact that their AD actually gives a **** about winning makes them a better job.
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Maybe I am taking the question differently than you, but I would say Muschamp, and the Shark Breeder would disagree with your statement at this point.

Let me guess, they get rid of the Shark Breeder and they are going to go back to back SECE champs? Good luck to them on that.

What they are implying about the Shark Breeder is actually a very big negative I would imagine to other coaches who could be interested in the position. Still unsure exactly who that might be. :)
 
#62
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Florida is a top 5 job while Tennessee is a top 10 job.

Kelly and Mullen have already been mentioned for the Florida opening.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Maybe I am taking the question differently than you, but I would say Muschamp, and the Shark Breeder would disagree with your statement at this point.

Let me guess, they get rid of the Shark Breeder and they are going to go back to back SECE champs? Good luck to them on that.

What they are implying about the Shark Breeder is actually a very big negative I would imagine to other coaches who could be interested in the position. Still unsure exactly who that might be. :)
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I guess we'll see. Depends on what our brain dead administration does. Im sure we all said the same thing when they hired Shark Humper yet they won the east again.
 
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Both are great jobs. In state recruiting is better in Florida, which gives them the edge. I'd like to see where we'd be with a championship minded AD like Florida has.
 
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Ask yourselves who these coaching candidates would choose assuming money were equal
 
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jpope9 said:
I guess we'll see. Depends on what our brain dead administration does. Im sure we all said the same thing when they hired Shark Humper yet they won the east again.
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Recruiting wise, Florida is a better area - I think that one is an easy one. Other than that, the program has really been a mess from before Urban left. We'll see as you said as to how the Mac thing turns out, but it can't be a too appealing place right now... they just ran a guy out of town that won two SECE titles in a row.
 
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99gator said:
Ask yourselves who these coaching candidates would choose assuming money were equal
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I think that depends on the coach. The way they fired McElwain after winning the SECE the last two years might give some pause.

FL has advantages in recruiting and the program is in a better place.

TN has an advantage in facilities.

Both schools have strong financial support and a rabid fan base. Both compete in the same division of the same conference. UT has a more difficult road to the conference championship with Bama as a permanent cross division rival.

I'd much rather live in Knoxville over Gainesville but that is of course a matter of personal opinion.
 
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Stop the madness.

There isn’t anyone anywhere that hasn’t been laughing about how badly Florida sucks the last few years and now all of a sudden, people want to throw out this winning the sec East garbage.

Like it was some sort of accomplishment.

Yeah, tallest midget!

Everyone knows why Mac was fired and that he wasn’t getting it done.

Stop the BS
 
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Coug said:
I'm hearing media folks say that between Florida and Tennessee any coach would take Florida over Tennessee. One comment was that "it's easier to win a championship at Florida than it is at Tennessee. Really? Then why'd you hire Muschamp and McElwain if that were true? The recruiting area is about the only advantage Florida might have over Tennessee.
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At this point in time, I am sure Florida is perceived as a better job. Based on their natural recruiting ground alone, I am sure most coaches would view Florida as the better job.

Tennessee could change that perception over the next ten years by not bad choices like many of the ones they made over the past ten to twenty. And I am not just talking about coaching hires.
 
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Coug said:
I'm hearing media folks say that between Florida and Tennessee any coach would take Florida over Tennessee. One comment was that "it's easier to win a championship at Florida than it is at Tennessee. Really? Then why'd you hire Muschamp and McElwain if that were true? The recruiting area is about the only advantage Florida might have over Tennessee.
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from a coaches perspective, yes. One very primary reason is that in the last five recruiting cycles.

962 Florida high school players signed with Power 5 schools.

153 Tennessee high school players signed with Power 5 schools.

So there is 4-1 more Power 5 talents available in Florida than in Tennessee. Any coach is going to see that as a huge plus over Tennessee

Secondly, Florida has far more conference and national championships in their athletic programs in the last 10 years than Tennessee. That shows Florida's willingness to compete for championships over Tennessee..

Two major reason that coaches look at when comapring the two jobs.
 
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99gator said:
Stop the madness.

There isn’t anyone anywhere that hasn’t been laughing about how badly Florida sucks the last few years and now all of a sudden, people want to throw out this winning the sec East garbage.

Like it was some sort of accomplishment.

Yeah, tallest midget!

Everyone knows why Mac was fired and that he wasn’t getting it done.

Stop the BS
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He got fired when he did because he was stupid enough to give you all cause to save several million.

And if Butch does something similar and Currie doesn't jump all over it? They both should either become homebodies or masters of disguise.
 
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TNnative said:
He got fired when he did because he was stupid enough to give you all cause to save several million.

And if Butch does something similar and Currie doesn't jump all over it? They both should either become homebodies or masters of disguise.
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Yes, but he was fired for on field performance. He just gave them an out
 
#75
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UT was the much better job prior to 1990....

Spurrier changed it....because he could win without cheating! LOL!

Fla is a little better job at the current time...but their offensive talent is very poor...

We've missed our opportunities under Dooley and Jones...

We could've won 5 of the last 6....and dang sure should've won 4 of 'em....

However, I really think the talent level at UF is NOT as good as at UT right now....

Hiring the right coach could really lead us to set things right in this series....
 
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