Is Contract Public, can UT Sue?

[madbamahater]

Help me understand who are the parties of the first and second in these contracts. Are the contracts between the player and the collective? Is Tennessee an actual party entered into agreement? If so, I wonder if there is a breach of contract can Tennessee seek monetary judgment (it's just business right)? If not, what are the protections for the university? Can Tennessee actually do anything? I guess they can discipline or dismiss a player based on voluntarily not participating?

Does any attorney on here or anyone with knowledge of how these are structured know how this works?

 

[landscapingvol]

Help me understand who are the parties of the first and second in these contracts. Are the contracts between the player and the collective? Is Tennessee an actual party entered into agreement? If so, I wonder if there is a breach of contract can Tennessee seek monetary judgment (it's just business right)? If not, what are the protections for the university? Can Tennessee actually do anything? I guess they can discipline or dismiss a player based on voluntarily not participating?

Does any attorney on here or anyone with knowledge of how these are structured know how this works?

I seriously doubt they sign binding, compensation contracts that have legal or financial repercussions but I could be wrong

 

[GAVol]

No way there’s anything public. And the school has no interest in anny agreement.

 

[ftsandersvol]

The problem is the NIL genie is out of the bottle. If Tennessee sues, you can forget about any “good” player ever signing with Tennessee again. Other schools would use it as a “recruiting” tool saying, “Tennessee will never want to pay you your true value, and if you ever try to renegotiate they will simply sue you. We would never do that to you here.”

 

[madbamahater]

No way there’s anything public. And the school has no interest in anny agreement.

So what does this mean for the university? They literally have zero footing? Tennessee has to just sit back and wait to see what happens? If Tennessee isn't involved, how are they involved in negotiations? Are they not? If a player just decides to not show up for practices, or team requirements are they just voluntarily "quitting"?

 

[Pawleysvol]

Help me understand who are the parties of the first and second in these contracts. Are the contracts between the player and the collective? Is Tennessee an actual party entered into agreement? If so, I wonder if there is a breach of contract can Tennessee seek monetary judgment (it's just business right)? If not, what are the protections for the university? Can Tennessee actually do anything? I guess they can discipline or dismiss a player based on voluntarily not participating?

Does any attorney on here or anyone with knowledge of how these are structured know how this works?

It’s Spyro’s contract. Not Tennessee’s.

 

[madbamahater]

The problem is the NIL genie is out of the bottle. If Tennessee sues, you can forget about any “good” player ever signing with Tennessee again. Other schools would use it as a “recruiting” tool saying, “Tennessee will never want to pay you your true value, and if you ever try to renegotiate they will simply sue you. We would never do that to you here.”

So the whole thing is just a scam and a shakedown of universities and you and I, their supporters? I get what you're saying, but the flip side of that coin is blindly giving in to demands and basically being extorted.

If Tennessee is not involved, how are they able to negotiate, renegotiate, or be involved in any way?

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

So what does this mean for the university? They literally have zero footing? Tennessee has to just sit back and wait to see what happens? If Tennessee isn't involved, how are they involved in negotiations? Are they not? If a player just decides to not show up for practices, or team requirements are they just voluntarily "quitting"?

Yes

 

[GAVol]

So what does this mean for the university? They literally have zero footing? Tennessee has to just sit back and wait to see what happens? If Tennessee isn't involved, how are they involved in negotiations? Are they not? If a player just decides to not show up for practices, or team requirements are they just voluntarily "quitting"?

Everybody knows there’s a “wink wink” deal between these collectives and the Athletic Departments, but they’re not employees so it’s technically not pay for play. The only footing the school has is they control playing time and whether he’s on the roster.

 

[madbamahater]

Everybody knows there’s a “wink wink” deal between these collectives and the Athletic Departments, but they’re not employees so it’s technically not pay for play. The only footing the school has is they control playing time and whether he’s on the roster.

So it's basically a scam and an extortion racket?

 

[madbamahater]

I guess instead of "holding out", he's basically quit as far as Tennessee is concerned...??

He'd be holding out on the collective while quitting on team?

I guess all the media's reporting is inaccurate or at least very misleading. Tennessee is not actually renegotiating anything, because they can't? At the moment they are just sitting here empty-handed at the hands of the player and the collective? This would mean there is absolutely no provisions for protection of the university?

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

So it's basically a scam and an extortion racket?

Yeah, it's paying for players under the flimsy premise that they are monetizing the value of their personal brand through a vested-interest intermediary.

Livvy Dunne is NIL. She doesnt get paid because of her gymnastics ability but because of her personal brand. Quinn Ewers signing 20 autographs for $100K is paying players. 99.999% of SEC players fall into the latter...

 

[ftsandersvol]

So the whole thing is just a scam and a shakedown of universities and you and I, their supporters? I get what you're saying, but the flip side of that coin is blindly giving in to demands and basically being extorted.

If Tennessee is not involved, how are they able to negotiate, renegotiate, or be involved in any way?

It’s just a mess, isn’t it?

 

[GAVol]

So it's basically a scam and an extortion racket?

It’s no scam. People wouldn’t pay it if they didn’t see a benefit. It just feels extreme because we went years working under an illegal model to this unrestricted environment that everybody is racing to take advantage of.

 

[WillisWG]

So the whole thing is just a scam and a shakedown of universities and you and I, their supporters? I get what you're saying, but the flip side of that coin is blindly giving in to demands and basically being extorted.

If Tennessee is not involved, how are they able to negotiate, renegotiate, or be involved in any way?

Nico's NIL deal is with Spyre, not UTK. Doesn't mean UT isn't involved, it could be that Spyre on behalf of Nico is negotiating a better deal on merchandising with UT or something along those lines but anything above that could be considered play for pay which isn't permissible.

NIL is one damn big mess.

 

[WillisWG]

I guess instead of "holding out", he's basically quit as far as Tennessee is concerned...??

He'd be holding out on the collective while quitting on team?

I guess all the media's reporting is inaccurate or at least very misleading. Tennessee is not actually renegotiating anything, because they can't? At the moment they are just sitting here empty-handed at the hands of the player and the collective? This would mean there is absolutely no provisions for protection of the university?

Never was and can't be under current NIL setup

 

[savannahfan]

So what does this mean for the university? They literally have zero footing? Tennessee has to just sit back and wait to see what happens? If Tennessee isn't involved, how are they involved in negotiations? Are they not? If a player just decides to not show up for practices, or team requirements are they just voluntarily "quitting"?

Voluntarily or not, they are QUITTING as far as I would be concerned. A player can have any kind of "advisory or financial group legal or otherwise hr has retained" and it still comes down to HIM making the decision. If he "walks out before a team activity" HE has made the call to QUIT!!

 

[savannahfan]

So the whole thing is just a scam and a shakedown of universities and you and I, their supporters? I get what you're saying, but the flip side of that coin is blindly giving in to demands and basically being extorted.

If Tennessee is not involved, how are they able to negotiate, renegotiate, or be involved in any way?

But the UNIVERSITY IS INVOLVED!! Whether they want to be or not. When a player chooses to not participate in a team activity, the staff of the sport must act and they ARE a part of and answer to higher authorities of the University.

 

[ftsandersvol]

I hope the NCAA, ESPN, etc., understand how close they are to losing their entire audience.

 

[njvols]

The problem is the NIL genie is out of the bottle. If Tennessee sues, you can forget about any “good” player ever signing with Tennessee again. Other schools would use it as a “recruiting” tool saying, “Tennessee will never want to pay you your true value, and if you ever try to renegotiate they will simply sue you. We would never do that to you here.”

Yes. Which is why we will let our average qb walk and move on to next man up.

 

[utvolpj]

Can ut sue over a contract where they're not even involved? Sure, go for it

 

[Majors]

Vendors attached to his NIL need to see what options they have. A lot of merchandise that will to waste.

 

[rdk4121]

It’s Spyro’s contract. Not Tennessee’s.

Spyre, not Spyro. Spyro is a little purple dragon

 

[VolCalls]

So the whole thing is just a scam and a shakedown of universities and you and I, their supporters? I get what you're saying, but the flip side of that coin is blindly giving in to demands and basically being extorted.

If Tennessee is not involved, how are they able to negotiate, renegotiate, or be involved in any way?

If UT isn't involved in any way, we wouldn't be charged a "talent fee" with our season tickets. I realize that's to fund the retroactive settlement with the NCAA but the athletic program is 100% involved in these deals.

 

[volbound1700]

There is no contract between Nico and the University. It is with the NIL agency. I hope this helps.