Is CJH our Mark Richt/Bo Pelini

[onevol74]

Offseason and still have wait time till season starts so, another one of “these” threads.

I keep reading here how well CJH has done and how well we think he is doing. I, for one, cannot complain, at all!

I also read on here our guesses to not only this year’s record but what we all think the record will be each year. The consensus seems to be 9/10 wins with some stating 7 wins for past three all the way to 11 wins and automatic CFP spot each year.

My question is, is CJH our Richt/Pelini where we average 9/10 wins each year with a bowl game each year and, maybe win three out of five of those? My next question is, if so, will you be content with that unlike Georgia and Nebraska?

I feel this the only purpose of this his thread is to drive negativity.

 

[BruisedOrange]

This: Richt is a Hall of Fame coach based on his time at Georgia alone. Everyone conveniently forgets how problematic a young Richt and Georgia were for us in the early 2000s, and I often wonder if he would be viewed more favorably if Saban and - to a lesser extent - Urban Meyer had never come into our league.

Good points. Miami, FSU, and Florida had their state sewed up tight. The state of Georgia was talent-rich, but Auburn and Tennessee were stealing a prize or two each year, and Richt also had to compete with Tennessee for the top South Carolina talent. Recruiting-wise, Richt was surrounded by talent--but he was also surrounded by high-end moochers and thieves!

Despite his gentle public demeanor, he established his identity on the Georgia brand, and went on to exceed Vince Dooley's remarkable winning percentage.

 

[cherokeeeVOL]

I would hope he’s Richt. I remember UT having to deal with those Georgia teams in the early 2000s and I’m pretty sure he won a couple conference titles? He also almost always won 10 games. Especially now, 10 wins gets you into the playoffs.

 

[Nico ee-ah-MAH-LAY-ah-va]

Richt is a stand up guy that UGA fans still think is one of their best coaches ever. He is a textbook example of a good coach, but struggled to be one of the greats. His teams were very good, but a combination of random lack of execution and just plain bad luck plagued his career. However, still one of the most winningest coaches of the time. He elevated the floor of UGA football, setting the stage for Kirby to dominate. Richt left UGA as a turnkey operation for Kirby to easily take over. For that, he is beloved at UGA. There is no Kirby domination without Richt.

I voted too early to tell, as I still believe Heupel has a chance to be better. However, if he ends up being our Richt, setting the stage for the next guy to dominate, then I will still think of Heupel's time here fondly.

 

[Sarms58]

A lifetime membership in the Clint Stoerner fan club?

and let’s not forget the miracle in the Dome to open the season that year…this is listed in the summary of the game as the key game changing moment and is still a sore spot with Syracuse fans…

• Game-Changing Moments:
  A pass interference call on Syracuse on 4th down helped keep Tennessee's final drive alive.
  
  

 

[VolFan_stuck_in_the_901]

Richt is a stand up guy that UGA fans still think is one of their best coaches ever. He is a textbook example of a good coach, but struggled to be one of the greats. His teams were very good, but a combination of random lack of execution and just plain bad luck plagued his career. However, still one of the most winningest coaches of the time. He elevated the floor of UGA football, setting the stage for Kirby to dominate. Richt left UGA as a turnkey operation for Kirby to easily take over. For that, he is beloved at UGA. There is no Kirby domination without Richt.

I voted too early to tell, as I still believe Heupel has a chance to be better. However, if he ends up being our Richt, setting the stage for the next guy to dominate, then I will still think of Heupel's time here fondly.

To use a cooking analogy, Richt stocked the cupboard and Smart turned the restaurant into a multi Michelin star establishment.

 

[knoxvol52]

CJH has done a terrific job so far but comparing him to a HOF coach like Bobby Bowden needs the brakes pumped for about 8 more seasons...

 

[Delmar]

and let’s not forget the miracle in the Dome to open the season that year…this is listed in the summary of the game as the key game changing moment and is still a sore spot with Syracuse fans…

• Game-Changing Moments:
  A pass interference call on Syracuse on 4th down helped keep Tennessee's final drive alive.
  

Definitely a break there. Add to it FSU’s first and second string QB’s being out for the title game. Injuries are certainly part of the game but nobody can deny that it was a big break facing their 3rd string QB. (Marcus Outzen as I recall.)

I still have the framed KNS article about the national championship though and won’t take it down!

 

[#1fulmerite]

Heupel brought TN back from football purgatory in short order and we still have people questioning his ability. Damn, does it ever end?

Well, that’s kind of why this thread and question was posed. CJH has had a very similar run this far compared to CMR had at Georgia, if you compare records.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Not only good points but valid ones as well. Do you know what Fulmer has that Mark Richt does not?

Fulmer had the Stoerner fumble which gave him a national championship Richt did not get. Richt was in the same position several times without that sort of providence. National championships are important but certainly aren't the only measurement. Few would argue Larry Coker was a better coach than Bo Schembechler for example. I only bring it up because you use a Heupel association with Richt as basically an insult and yet Richt owned the head to head series, and otherwise had a comparable career with your idol, Fulmer. Both are in the CFB HOF.

 

[wmcovol]

I’m not sure we’ll see ever long term dominance by 1 team in the SEC anymore. They’ll be 3-4 years stretches maybe but the talent is being spread out more. With $ & portal, it’s gonna be very tough to stockpile players for year after year success.

 

[zjcvols]

Heupel has pulled this program thru what appeared in January 2021 to be entering the darkest 4 years of its history with a 71% winning percentage. This has been one of the best coaching jobs done in the SEC in the last 10 years.

The obsession with "can Heupel win a national title" shows why I can't stand how pro sports ideology has leaked into college sports.

This program the previous 13 years before Heupel got here was 78-82. Not just a losing SEC record. An overall losing program. The previous 16 years was 102-96. The program (pre Heuepel) had not won an SEC title in 22 years. And this doesn't take into account the fact that the entire AD was in disarray during this entire time. It's not like when Heupel got hurt we had an AD that had been in place for a few years. They got here at the same time.

If everyone with an IQ above 70 on this board would be told in 4 years that Heupel would go 37-15 with zero home losses to Alabama and Florida and two top 10 finishes, they would have taken it full stop, not even think about it.

Plus, trying to compare current coaches to previous coaches just isn't something you can do in today's era. Ohio State just won a national title paying over $20M to their roster with two losses and didn't play in their conference title game. Imagine trying to explain that sentence to someone 15 years ago. This is a completely different ball game. Trying to say Heupel is "our Mark Richt" is stupid because it's like trying to compare Nick Saban to Robert Neyland.

 

[Volnanza]

You can really tell that we are in the dead season.

 

[volmanjr]

and let’s not forget the miracle in the Dome to open the season that year…this is listed in the summary of the game as the key game changing moment and is still a sore spot with Syracuse fans…

• Game-Changing Moments:
  A pass interference call on Syracuse on 4th down helped keep Tennessee's final drive alive.
  

rather be lucky than good....

 

[1974Vol]

Offseason and still have wait time till season starts so, another one of “these” threads.

I keep reading here how well CJH has done and how well we think he is doing. I, for one, cannot complain, at all!

I also read on here our guesses to not only this year’s record but what we all think the record will be each year. The consensus seems to be 9/10 wins with some stating 7 wins for past three all the way to 11 wins and automatic CFP spot each year.

My question is, is CJH our Richt/Pelini where we average 9/10 wins each year with a bowl game each year and, maybe win three out of five of those? My next question is, if so, will you be content with that unlike Georgia and Nebraska?

Let's at least give CJH a chance to get a full roster (we're still under NCAA sanctions) before we fire him for our only winning 30 games in 3 years for the third time in program history. smh

 

[lastlapuncle]

#!fulmerite,You just have been acclaimed as the #! idiot.

 

[KTrain]

and let’s not forget the miracle in the Dome to open the season that year…this is listed in the summary of the game as the key game changing moment and is still a sore spot with Syracuse fans…

• Game-Changing Moments:
  A pass interference call on Syracuse on 4th down helped keep Tennessee's final drive alive.
  

If you have probably best defense in the Country, you can stay close enough to win 4 improbable games where the breaks fell our way. It was a magical 13 & 0 season.

 

[#1fulmerite]

Fulmer had the Stoerner fumble which gave him a national championship Richt did not get. Richt was in the same position several times without that sort of providence. National championships are important but certainly aren't the only measurement. Few would argue Larry Coker was a better coach than Bo Schembechler for example. I only bring it up because you use a Heupel association with Richt as basically an insult and yet Richt owned the head to head series, and otherwise had a comparable career with your idol, Fulmer. Both are in the CFB HOF.

I understand the reference to Coker however, this thread has absolutely nothing even remotely to do with that. What gets me is how anyone could possibly utilize Richt as an insult. I think it’s that you have something personal with me and/or Fulmer which, if it is me, then it would have to be Fulmer. I’m sure there must be people who dislike Richt as there are people who dislike the most likable people in the world but, if anyone is going to compare another coach to Richt, they are automatically complimenting that coach because of Richt’s stature.

My friend, you are just a hater.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Can the season hurry up and get here?

Heupel inherited a sanctioned dumpster fire left by The Bama Plant, and in 4 years has gone 4-0 vs Alabama and Florida at home, had an amazing second year with 11 wins which was one inexplicable loss away from an SECCG appearance and ended with a beat down of Clemson, then made the CFP last year, while teams including Alabama, Florida, LSU, and Ole Miss stayed home.

Maybe give it a minute?

 

[#1fulmerite]

#!fulmerite,You just have been acclaimed as the #! idiot.

Just hear me out: What if we had given Fulmer a sabbatical?

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Hep is better than Richt ever pretended to be

 

[Sarms58]

rather be lucky than good....

Most championship seasons require both…1998 was a great team that had the ball bounce the right way in a few key games…

 

[Sarms58]

Definitely a break there. Add to it FSU’s first and second string QB’s being out for the title game. Injuries are certainly part of the game but nobody can deny that it was a big break facing their 3rd string QB. (Marcus Outzen as I recall.)

I still have the framed KNS article about the national championship though and won’t take it down!

Absolutely: 13-0 undisputed National Champions

 

[LAVol1]

Georgia was content with Richt because he was getting good recruits/results. He just got stagnant and had a couple of bad seasons. It happens--but he had the program on solid footing and Kirby just took it over the top.

Richt was a terrible game day coach. He got really lucky twice against the Vols after making stupid game decisions. But, he could recruit. UGA tried to spin that the cupboard was bare when Kirby took over, but they had more 4-5* players than any SEC team not named Bama. Kirby just took it to the next level. It didn't hurt that UT and UF were in decline. If UF and USC continue to improve, things will get a lot tougher for CJH.

 

[Delmar]

Absolutely: 13-0 undisputed National Champions

Yep. At the end of the day it’s like golf. They don’t take pictures of how it happens, they just want to know the score. I’ve seen hole in one’s that were 120 yard ground balls.