Irsay's - Manning Comments

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SmokeyFTW said:
I don't know the full story of that video, but I wouldn't call that retaliating. He just saying kicker made a dumb decision, also went on to say he's a good kicker.
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Actually it wasn't retaliating, it was said Manning wouldn't comment.

The point I'm trying to make is, don't put Manning on some pedestal; he clearly has commented back on things in the past. And yeah he said he was a good kicker....after he called him an idiot who was drunk about 3 times. It's pretty clear he was saying more than he made a dumb decision.
 
#52
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SmokeyFTW said:
I don't know the full story of that video, but I wouldn't call that retaliating. He just saying kicker made a dumb decision, also went on to say he's a good kicker.
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Also this happened at the 2003 Pro Bowl, Manning was interviewed during the game on the sideline and was asked about Vanderjagt's comments.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Actually it wasn't retaliating, it was said Manning wouldn't comment.

The point I'm trying to make is, don't put Manning on some pedestal; he clearly has commented back on things in the past. And yeah he said he was a good kicker....after he called him an idiot who was drunk about 3 times. It's pretty clear he was saying more than he made a dumb decision.
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I'm not puttin anyone ever on a pedestal, but you seem to be making a big deal over one comment. He's been interviewed thousands of times. 99.9% of the times he a gent. So I won't let that one meaningless comment on someone's very poor decision change my mind if how I view him. He's a class act. Name one better. I still don't call that retaliating.

Retaliate - to do something bad to someone who has hurt you or treated you badly : to get revenge against ...

I don't think that's what he was doing.
 
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SmokeyFTW said:
I'm not puttin anyone ever on a pedestal, but you seem to be making a big deal over one comment. He's been interviewed thousands of times. 99.9% of the times he a gent. So I won't let that one meaningless comment on someone's very poor decision change my mind if how I view him. He's a class act. Name one better. I still don't call that retaliating.

Retaliate - to do something bad to someone who has hurt you or treated you badly : to get revenge against ...

I don't think that's what he was doing.
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I already clarified the retaliate comment; and again the point was it was stated Manning would never comment back, and I was pointing out that yes, he has. I would hardly call what Manning said as being a gentleman.

I'm making no more a big deal about it than the deal people are making about Irsay's comments. Heck if you listen to Vanderjagt's original comments that Manning called him an idiot over, they really weren't worth even commenting on.
 
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Pretty sure Irsay put it out there that Peyton was done with football, too. Also, he says he wasn't talking about Peyton in that remark, but when talking about other teams and titles, he names quarterbacks.

Furthermore, Irsay should have invested in some defense for the Colts and made a GM change sooner imo
 
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fran tarkenton tore into Irsay today on the radio over his comments. Said if it wasn't from Peyton , the Colts would be the LA Colts and Irsay would not have a stadium to play in. Said Irsay is the worst owner in NFL and nobody in their right mind that is a free agent is stupid enough to go play for him.
Said Irsay just trashed the greatest QB to ever play the game and that Irsay or Luck could not carry Peytons jock.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Yea that is shocking. Be interesting to delve into why and to plot each QB's career track over the next few years.
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I think it all comes down to the state of the NFL during the first 2 years of each player respectively. Colts' division in 98 was different, and tougher than the Colts' division last year. Colts played some tough teams in 98 outside of division as well, like playing at San Fran when they were really good. On the other hand, Peyton had Faulk and Harrison but a very raw O-Line.

Still, Luck's start has been outstanding.
 
#59
#59
Good for Helton.. Just telling it the way it is...
I dont fault the Colts, 4 years of Peyton or 12 of Luck...
And really not sure about the 4 from Peyton... Its worked well
For both teams, but after last weeks poor performance
And these comments, i'd be willing to bet Peyton will try
To hang 50 on Indy... And he should after that idiot owner got
likkered up...
 
#60
#60
I think Irsay is trying to save face as Peyton has returned in such a dominant manner. I think his message is that they will be fine in years to come, which is likely true. I don't fault him for releasing Manning, I fault him for make less than smart remarks that can be taken as a shot, whether it was his intention or not. He has to know how a comment like that will sound. I think what he is getting at is that the team is going to try to have more to show than just great stats during Luck's tenure. He is tryng to get fans to focus on the future and not be upset when Peyton comes in and hangs 500 yards and 5 TD's on them Sunday. (hence the star wars stats comment) He is just preparing for the storm ahead
 
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I've been saying for years that Peyton deserves his fair share of the blame for lack of championships but to put it all on him is just silly.

Also did you notice anything about all those teams with multiple championships Irsay referenced? The Steelers, Pats, Ravens, and Gaints? They were all lead by an incredible defenses. In fact how many have the Pats won since moving away from having a dominant defense?
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Actually it wasn't retaliating, it was said Manning wouldn't comment.

The point I'm trying to make is, don't put Manning on some pedestal; he clearly has commented back on things in the past. And yeah he said he was a good kicker....after he called him an idiot who was drunk about 3 times. It's pretty clear he was saying more than he made a dumb decision.
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FWIW, Manning was probably like 26 when this went down. Though I would say he was mature then, I think he is to the point where he wouldn't respond to Vanderjagt like that today.
 
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TnAngler said:
Am I to understand that Peyton is the reason for the Colts not having more Super Bowl championships, based on Colts owners comments. Unless I am way off, the Colts were bottom feeders before Mr. Manning ascribed and began what is the greatest quarterback legacy of all time. Instead of hating on what in my eyes is the Greatest quarterback to ever play the game, Irsay should respect and be grateful that Peyton got him a SB ring, multiple AFC titles and put his team back in the map.

The only reason I am blasting Irsay is because Peyton would never fire back, way to professional. Peyton is the definition of VFL. I hope the Broncos destroy the Colts on Sunday.
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I think it was more of a hit on Bill Polian than Manning, not able to put a decent Defense to help out Manning and the offense.
 
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Majorvol23 said:
Football is a team sport, with involvement from more individual people than any other team sport that I can think of. Peyton can't play defense and special teams.

The lack of super bowl championships will haunt peyton's legacy until he wins at least one more, unfortunately. Besides, the 'how many Super Bowls argument' is simply one taken by haters, period. Peyton is the best QB to play the game ever. People just watch in amazement every time he's on the field, and he's getting better every day.

& Irsay is an ungrateful POS for implying anything different btw
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I disagree completely. Having zero Super Bowl wins sticks to a great QB's legacy, not having only won "just one." You hear sports journalists all the time talk about Marino not winning the big one, but you don't hear anyone talking about how Favre only got to win just one.

Peyton's legacy will be as one of the most most prolific passers in NFL history, AND a Super Bowl champion.
 
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If Irsay had a functional brain cell, he would have refrained from comment until after the upcoming game with the Broncos. On Monday Night Football, they were talking about how the Colts fans and the city of Indianapolis never really had the opportunity to bid Peyton a proper farewell. What should have been an honoring ceremony will now take on an altogether different mood. Anyone want to speculate on how this affects Broncos offensive strategy . . . or a possible desire to run up the score purely as a way of saying, "This is what I think of you, Mr. Irsay"?
 
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#68
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Nah...PM to classy, if they get up he does the right thing and hands the ball off.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
Pretty sure Irsay put it out there that Peyton was done with football, too. Also, he says he wasn't talking about Peyton in that remark, but when talking about other teams and titles, he names quarterbacks.

Furthermore, Irsay should have invested in some defense for the Colts and made a GM change sooner imo
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Yep. I don't see how anybody can read those comments and not take it as at least somewhat of a shot at Manning. He didn't talk about those other team's defenses. He talked about their quarterbacks.
 
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#70
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Bill Polian is a loud mouth drunk just like his daddy. The apple didn't fall far from the tree.
 
#71
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Chilmonty said:
The only thing bigger than Irsays ego is his mouth.

You noticed Peyton had no comment and will be a perfect gentleman, as always, in Indy. He may very well ***** Slap the Colts though! :)


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Peyton will let his performance do the talking. :yes:
 
#72
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InVOLuntary said:
Irsay is just butthurt cause he realizes he should have never let Peyton go. If I could say something to him i'd say "How's that new guy working out for you?". He's seeing Peyton's success and he's regretting his decision.
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Pretty well, thanks for asking
 
#73
#73
I seriously don't see why all the outrage with the comments. Can Irsay talk way too much? Absolutely. Did he say anything that was negative or out of line? No. Irsay's job is to do what is best for the Indianapolis Colts not an individual player. I can guarantee you he has 0 regrets with letting Peyton leave and taking Luck with the first pick.
 
#74
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yeah, i get it....Manning is not a "spring chicken" any more, and the Colts didn't know how he would recover. And then the Colts went 2-14, with the # 1 pick, not to mention the best "cant miss" qb prospect in years.....So i get them taking luck and moving on....I understand the business decision....But Irsay just seems like a jerk to me. He is one of those "outspoken" owners who want to be a celebrity....like a Mark Cuban and Jerry Jones type.
 
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volinchatt-town said:
yeah, i get it....Manning is not a "spring chicken" any more, and the Colts didn't know how he would recover. And then the Colts went 2-14, with the # 1 pick, not to mention the best "cant miss" qb prospect in years.....So i get them taking luck and moving on....I understand the business decision....But Irsay just seems like a jerk to me. He is one of those "outspoken" owners who want to be a celebrity....like a Mark Cuban and Jerry Jones type.
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I would not disagree with any of that. On the other hand, I really don't see where anyone can say he took a shot at Peyton.
 
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