IRS admits to targeting Conservative groups

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hog88 said:
You have officially gone off your rocker! The precedent for these groups and their tax exempt status has been established, rightly or wrongly it doesn't matter at this point. The IRS cannot treat one class differently than they treat another, they have and they have admitted to it. This point is proven and indisputable.

The only question that remains is who gave the instruction?
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And why?
 
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Vol Main said:
You could post those words in reply to a thousand other posts. It joins no issue, offers no information and no argument. I could say the exact same thing back at you, and it would mean nothing.
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what was I supposed to say? There is nothing in your post that was correct and I'm not going to go line by line to educate you. Some of the reasons you used to justify their actions are actually illegal and the very reason it's an issue in the first place.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Listen, I think motivation here is everything.

While we've all come to expect ineptitude by government employees, we draw the line at using government as a means to bash people you don't like.
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Tax law is supposed to be applied equally to everyone. lol The IRS should have processes in place for that equal application. It should not be necessary for someone in the Service to have a new idea day by realizing that Tea Party signals a partisan political organization, not a social welfare organization. The organizations are supposed to supply all of their material. IRS should not need to ask for their prayers. If they write it, the nonprofit is supposed to provide it.
 
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Vol Main said:
Tax law is supposed to be applied equally to everyone. lol The IRS should have processes in place for that equal application. It should not be necessary for someone in the Service to have a new idea day by realizing that Tea Party signals a partisan political organization, not a social welfare organization. The organizations are supposed to supply all of their material. IRS should not need to ask for their prayers. If they say it or write it, the nonprofit is supposed to provide it.
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Didn't you elude you having some experience in tax law? If so, what was it?
 
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Also, George Soros is showed to have visited 4 times. Someone give me a good reason why in the hell George Soros would be meeting with anyone at the WH.
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
Also, George Soros is showed to have visited 4 times. Someone give me a good reason why in the hell George Soros would be meeting with anyone at the WH.
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he paid good money for that office and should have his own key to the place
 
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lawgator1 said:
He is a supporter of the President.
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Do you know anything about him other than that? Do you have any clue how much money on a yearly basis he uses to influences elections and policies?

He makes the big bad Koch brothers look like homeless bums...
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
Didn't you elude you having some experience in tax law? If so, what was it?
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I alluded to some experience with the tax status of a nonprofit organization, because I was involved with incorporating one about 25 years ago. We wanted to apply for tax exempt status, so contributors could deduct their contributions from their tax basis. The IRS sent us a package of information about the tax classifications of various types of nonprofit, with the application. It stated very clearly that organizations which work to affect legislation cannot receive tax deductible donations. There weren't any ifs, ands, or buts about it. Affecting legislation was the purpose of our corporation, so we did not apply for deductible status. We even stated on the bottom of our literature in fine print that contributions were not tax deductible. We did not want to break the law, and we did not want to be party to other people breaking the law. We did not want to create that kind of problem for our contributors.

Over the years, I have noticed a lot of nonprofit corporations formed to affect legislation and elections operating with a tax deductible classification, and it sticks in my craw. That is exactly the purpose of the Tea Party, and everybody knows it. So I do not think it strange or wrong for them to be flagged. The IRS decision is supposed to be based on the corporate charter, the material actually used by the nonprofit, and its activity. At least, that was my understanding from reading the IRS material which came with the application.
 
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Vol Main said:
I eluded to some experience with the tax status of a nonprofit organization, because I was involved with incorporating one about 25 years ago. We wanted to apply for tax exempt status, so contributors could deduct their contributions from their tax basis. The IRS sent us a package of information about the tax classifications of various types of nonprofit, with the application. It stated very clearly that organizations which work to affect legislation cannot receive tax deductible donations. There weren't any ifs, ands, or buts about it. Affecting legislation was the purpose of our corporation, so we did not apply for deductible status. We even stated on the bottom of our literature in fine print that contributions were not tax deductible. We did not want to break the law, and we did not want to be party to other people breaking the law. We did not want to create that kind of problem for our contributors.

Over the years, I have noticed a lot of nonprofit corporations formed to affect legislation and elections operating with a tax deductible classification, and it sticks in my craw. That is exactly the purpose of the Tea Party, and everybody knows it. So I do not think it strange or wrong for them to be flagged. The IRS decision is supposed to be made by the corporate charter and the material actually used by the nonprofit. At least, that was my understanding from reading the IRS material.
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So then tell me exactly why you think the IRS has apologized along with President Obama? Seems to me that you don't think they did anything wrong.

Should www.mediamatters.org/‎ be a tax exempt organization in your opinion?
 
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Vol Main said:
I eluded to some experience with the tax status of a nonprofit organization, because I was involved with incorporating one about 25 years ago. We wanted to apply for tax exempt status, so contributors could deduct their contributions from their tax basis. The IRS sent us a package of information about the tax classifications of various types of nonprofit, with the application. It stated very clearly that organizations which work to affect legislation cannot receive tax deductible donations. There weren't any ifs, ands, or buts about it. Affecting legislation was the purpose of our corporation, so we did not apply for deductible status. We even stated on the bottom of our literature in fine print that contributions were not tax deductible. We did not want to break the law, and we did not want to be party to other people breaking the law. We did not want to create that kind of problem for our contributors.

Over the years, I have noticed a lot of nonprofit corporations formed to affect legislation and elections operating with a tax deductible classification, and it sticks in my craw. That is exactly the purpose of the Tea Party, and everybody knows it. So I do not think it strange or wrong for them to be flagged. The IRS decision is supposed to be based on the corporate charter, the material actually used by the nonprofit, and its activity. At least, that was my understanding from reading the IRS material which came with the application.
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*alluded
 
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Vol Main said:
I eluded to some experience with the tax status of a nonprofit organization, because I was involved with incorporating one about 25 years ago. We wanted to apply for tax exempt status, so contributors could deduct their contributions from their tax basis. The IRS sent us a package of information about the tax classifications of various types of nonprofit, with the application. It stated very clearly that organizations which work to affect legislation cannot receive tax deductible donations. There weren't any ifs, ands, or buts about it. Affecting legislation was the purpose of our corporation, so we did not apply for deductible status. We even stated on the bottom of our literature in fine print that contributions were not tax deductible. We did not want to break the law, and we did not want to be party to other people breaking the law. We did not want to create that kind of problem for our contributors.

Over the years, I have noticed a lot of nonprofit corporations formed to affect legislation and elections operating with a tax deductible classification, and it sticks in my craw. That is exactly the purpose of the Tea Party, and everybody knows it. So I do not think it strange or wrong for them to be flagged. The IRS decision is supposed to be based on the corporate charter, the material actually used by the nonprofit, and its activity. At least, that was my understanding from reading the IRS material which came with the application.
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There has been considerable change in tax law over the last 25 years. The rules you experienced could be completely different now.

Hell, McCain/Feingold was only about 10 years ago or so.
 
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volinbham said:
There has been considerable change in tax law over the last 25 years. The rules you experienced could be completely different now.

Hell, McCain/Feingold was only about 10 years ago or so.
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From reports in the recent articles, the change came in 1996 I think. I am okay with the rule about "primary" work of the organization, because contributors should not be totally busted for a few infractions. But that requirement should not be flagrantly abused as a wide open loop hole. The reality is that the primary work of the Tea Party and a lot of other nonprofits with tax exempt status is to affect legislation and elections.
 
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